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Bringing up Bibi

Discussions of drawing territorial lines along the West Bank often result in lines drawn in the sand among pro-Israel and Palestinian supporters. In this week's Raucous Caucus, educator and recruiter Tom Cushing discusses the legitimacy of what one Turkish leader called "the West's spoiled child."

"There are important decisions being made in

those new regimes, and the US will be sidelined by its identification as a blind supporter of the anti-

democratic policies of the Netanyahu government," Cushing writes.

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Posted by Grandma
a resident of Danville
on Sep 21, 2011 at 4:37 pm

It is good to remember that the Arabs and Jews were played off against each other in the battle against the Turks, each being promised Palestine, while the British and French had already divided up that country between themselves.
In 1948 the UN proposal was for 2 states: Arab and Jewish. The Arab Palestinians refused because 5 Arab nations declared war against Israel believing they could push it into the sea. There have been other offers of statehood made to the Arab Palestinians. Mr. Arafat was guided by mentors who helped him present the Palestinians as underdog refugees, and Israel as the big bad wolf.
Have we seen any Israelis come to this country, go on welfare. learn to fly planes and kill our people with them?
Have we seen 6000000 Palestinians slaughtered methodically?
Have we seen countries turn them away as the Jews were turned away during WW 2?
The results of The Arab Spring are not yet clear. Maybe there will be more of what we consider democracy, maybe the opposite. It is a little soon to decide which country is the West's spoiled child.


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Posted by Citizen Paine
a resident of Danville
on Sep 22, 2011 at 8:58 am

Hi Gramma: A few Qs for you.

Do you have a citation to the claim that Arafat was mentored? And can you tell me what relevance that claim would have, if he was?

I've checked the nationalities of all nineteen 9/11 hijackers. Are you aware that none of them was Palestinian?

The Holocaust was an incalculably evil tragedy. What is its relevance, here? Do you think Palestinians did that, too?

Do you think the US might be of any assistance to those new Arab democracies? Do you think the decisions they will be making have no relationship to the US's national interests?


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Posted by grandma
a resident of Danville
on Sep 22, 2011 at 2:20 pm

Yes. Check to see where he was trained.
I did not mention the nationality of the pilots, only that they were not Israeli.
Sorry you misunderstood my statements. I do not blame any events of WW2 on the Palestinians.
Do YOU think the Arab Spring will bring democracies? I hope so. I do not know what decisions they will be making.


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Posted by Citizen Paine
a resident of Danville
on Sep 22, 2011 at 7:48 pm

Sorry, Gramms -- the burden's on you to demonstrate your claim about Arafat -- and, if true, its relevance. Why should anyone care whether he had a mentor?

And it's disingenuous to back off your statement about the pilots, although I certainly understand your after-the-fact wish to do so. Finally, I'll interpret your "sorry" statement as an indication that you realize the Holocaust really doesn't have a shred of relevance, here, either.

I think the Arab Spring is the most positive set of developments in that part of the world in many, many years. It'll have a better chance of proceeding to our satisfaction if we haven't t'd them off for, no good reason.


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Posted by Shoshana
a resident of Alamo
on Sep 26, 2011 at 10:40 am

I am a 36-year old Jewish woman, and my husband is a Jew by choice. We want nothing more than peace in that conflicted area. The Jews feel unsafe, and the result is that the Palestinians are currently in the world's largest open air prison. Each side has done its share of right & wrong, but this conflict needs to end. I don't believe G*d writes real estate deeds, so the land needs to be shared among all who feel it's their ancestral home.
We can send a man to the moon; can we dedicate the same amount of hard work and determination to solve this conflict once and for all?


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Posted by Tom Cushing
a resident of Danville
on Sep 26, 2011 at 12:07 pm

"Amen," Shoshana!


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