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Residents pack meeting hall for hearing on affordable housing

Original post made on Dec 17, 2009

The issue of affordable housing and the rezoning of 25 Danville properties brought a crowd of more than 160 residents to Tuesday's Town Council meeting. On the agenda was a public hearing on an update to the Town's Housing Element.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 11:11 PM

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Posted by Greg
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 7:32 am

This goes to show.......this town does whatever they want and they don't care what the residents think. We have NO say so......and that needs to change. Why do we let a handful of people run our lives????


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Posted by jo
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 7:42 am

Remember this when we vote for council memebers and planning commission !!! we need new ones.. don't let them try to take homes from residents... and run out of town great neighbors..


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Posted by spcwt
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 7:52 am

Why is crime exploding in smaller suburban towns like Concord, Antioch, and Pittsburg, yet paradoxically decreasing (slightly) in big cities like Oakland and San Francisco? The Atlantic Monthly says it's because the government has been giving housing vouchers (e.g. Section 8) to poor people to move out of the large urban public housing buildings (notorious cesspools of crime) and into suburbia. Like the flu, they bring the crime bug with them. Here's a link to the article:

Web Link

Sacramento "collects" (i.e. steals) our sales tax revenue and then forces us to change our towns as they say, otherwise they won't give the money back to us.

Remember when Dr. Zhivago came home and found 10 families living in his house and a note which read, "Congratulations comrade, your house has been liberated. It now belongs to the people."

Is that our future?


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Posted by Concerned
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 7:55 am

This is the first I'm hearing of this! I'm sure I'm not the only one to be surprised. How do we get a copy of "the list" and how was it determined?


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Posted by Danville Fan
a resident of Tassajara Hills Elementary School
on Dec 17, 2009 at 8:12 am

This is a story the Danville Express should be on top of. Why didn't they get an article out before the meeting?


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Posted by Greg
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 8:19 am

This paper kisses the towns behind thats why!


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Posted by Greg
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 8:21 am

Watch.....they will end this discussion SOON!!!!!!


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Posted by Gunslinger .45
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 8:36 am

By the town, you mean the tyrants who at present run this town. This paper couldn't care less about the people of this town, the longtime residents


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Posted by Rick Pshaw
a resident of Alamo
on Dec 17, 2009 at 8:46 am

If you like what's going to happen to our town, be sure to vote for liberal democrats every chance you get. That's where this leveling process comes from.


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Posted by Danville Mom
a resident of Vista Grande Elementary School
on Dec 17, 2009 at 8:51 am

According to the article, "the Council voted unanimously to remove parcels on Oak Court, Ramon Court, Parrot Lane, La Gonda Way, El Dorado, Sonora Avenue and Diablo Road".

What locations/parcels are still being considered? Looking at the Town of Danville website as suggested, I couldn't find anything that answers this.


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Posted by Duffy
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 8:56 am

Let's stop the "double-speak", call it what it is! "Affordable Housing" is subsidized housing
and the subsidy comes from your tax dollars. Therefore you should have a say in how it is spent.


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Posted by Gunslinger .45
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 9:25 am

I agree that "liberals" are the problem. However, these same forces, which are more aptly called traitors, are in force in certain parts of the republican party. Both parties are ultimately controlled by the traitors. Your average liberal is being misused by these traitorous forces who very perfectly chime certain heartstrings to not convince, but to manipulate, to control. Remember, McCain was aligned with Ted Kennedy on amnesty. I will agree though, most of the republicans in the house of representatives are true conservatives. Unfortunately, they're often too anti-environmental and yes there are plenty of us red-blooded conservatives in California who love the environment. I'm tired of having to choose between having my family being endangered by illegals and group homes, or having to breathe shitty air that gives my kids asthma


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Posted by John B
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 9:28 am

If the state mandates low income / high density housing... Oh excuse me... Affordable Housing then this is a good time to build far back in the Tassahara valley away from everyone here. Yeah next to Dublin and Livermore. This is what you get. Stop voting the same liberals into office. Make a stand to this nannyism. Make them scared... vote them out in both state and federal and this can end. Let's bring back our wonderful moderate state that was the best in the union. The voice of moderation always wins.


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Posted by Sandy
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 9:37 am

I wrote to the Danville Express yesterday chastising it for not given its readers notice of the meeting. I promptly received an apology from the editor and was told that the issue would be covered going forward. Then I get this morning's edition with an article describing the issue of "affordable" housing. What meeting did the Express attend??!! It's not about "affordable" housing - it's low income and very low income housing. Affordable housing wasn't ever discussed. Calling it that just sugar coats the issue. Shame on the Express for the use of spin to keep readers from understanding the true issue.


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Posted by Rick Pshaw
a resident of Alamo
on Dec 17, 2009 at 9:39 am

If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. So starting PAYING ATTENTION!! Here's how:

Go to the Town of Danville website (you should be able to find this without too much trouble).

Click on the COUNCIL & GOVERNMENT link.

Now click on the "Meeting Agendas & Summaries" link at the bottom of the page.

It starts to get a little tricky here...

For upcoming meeting agendas including the Town Council, click on the appropriate link. To look at past agendas and summaries (minutes) look to the right side of the page and click on "Click here to browse the database." This will take you to a page called Laserfiche WebLink.

Click on Town Council. You can now do one of two things. 1. Click on the "Town Council Packets" link which are the council agendas and associated documents. Or 2. Click on the
"Town Council Summary of Actions" link (minutes).

Go ahead and click on the "Town Council Packets" link.
Click on the folder labeled 2009.
Click on the folder with your date of interest. I clicked on "121509"

We're almost there...

Click on the document labeled "121509 AGENDA"

Success! You now have the Danville Town Council Agenda for December 15, 2009 in front of you. Lurking on page 4 is Item 17 which reads as follows:

"17. Consider adoption of Resolution No. 135-2009, approving a Negative Declaration of Environmental Significance and approving General Plan Amendment request GP A 2009-01, the update to the Housing Element of the Danville 2010 General Plan (K. Gailey)"

Now use the back button on your browser to go back to the page with "121509 AGENDA" at the top (you may need to press the back button several times.) There is a numbered listing of documents which correspond to the Agenda items. Click on "121509-17" which will bring up Resolution No. 135-2009 in all its highly detailed 11 pages of glory. Part of the document reads,

"Public participation was solicited and encouraged during the update process as the Town sought input from the general public and other interested parties on issues concerning housing development in the Town...

Note that there are a number of ways to navigate through the file structure of the documents database. Click on the "Help" link at the top of the page for details.


In summary, everyone should keep a weather eye on the doings of city government. It DOES affect you.


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Posted by Doug J
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 11:14 am

Wow, I'm sad today to be a resident of Dville. Affordable housing could mean a teacher or a health care office tech. You could take a positive role in shaping your community instead of using vitriolic and race baiting. We all want a nice community and good schools, and I can't picture Dville ever, ever changing with the introduction of a handful of new resdients.


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Posted by Treebeard
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2009 at 11:30 am

I submit that the four families of the police officers who were killed didn't picture that one person could ever, ever, ever change their lives either ...


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Posted by Ralph N. Shirlet
a resident of another community
on Dec 17, 2009 at 5:30 pm

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Dear Council Member Andersen,

I spent time with an audit team of Diablo Vista region neighbors from Danville north of Diablo Road earlier this afternoon.

Your town council and government is expected to present the cost options for planning appropriate housing for Danville residents needing lower cost housing such as seniors, young adults, disabled and similar. What should be provided is a pro forma fiscal analysis that takes several viewpoints, 1) do nothing to comply with state mandates for low cost housing, 2) create low cost housing in commercial environments away from impact on the established character of neighborhoods, and 3) fully comply with state mandates by placing prescribed units in enclaves to minimize neighborhood character impact.

The second part of the required PLAN analysis would deal with group homes with town restricting their purpose to location and function, 1) senior group homes, 2) disabled group homes, LOCAL youth group homes, and group student/professional housing. Your town council and government would provide cost analysis for such options and how they impact compliance with state mandates.

Finally, a Community Summary would provide the analysis of costs of compliance or the avoidance thereof so Town residents could determine what revenue offsets they need to create locally based on State withholding of revenue sharing.

That is the expectation of Danville neighborhoods north of Diablo Road and will be, within the next three days, the expectations of all Danville neighborhoods.

FYI, this is a CDSI community courtesy,

Hal


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Posted by Spence Nix
a resident of Alamo Elementary School
on Dec 18, 2009 at 9:34 am

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From he who has been blessed with much, much is expected. Yet this group seems to want the conversation to be "all about me". Much of this affordable housing will benefit people who simply cannot afford to live in Danville, but work here and serve and protect it: teachers, military personnel, police officers, etc. What do you think is going to happen if people earning under $80,000/year move in down the street? - huge increase in crime, or just general "ickiness" that you can't deal with? People need a place to live - get over it.


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Posted by Danville Homes Downtown
a resident of Danville
on Dec 18, 2009 at 3:49 pm

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Do not chastise the Council – they were the last to see this, they were very thoughtful and concerned about all that was discussed, and it was clear that it is their intent to do the right thing to keep Danville the town of character that we all moved here for. And why was there NOTHING about this in the SRV Times; when They clearly had reporters there who covered the police department portion of the exact same meeting, and that was published the following day? Danville Weekly did the job right !!! I was at this HOUSING ELEMENT / Town Council meeting. It is important to understand: 1) The Housing element that was discussed was created by the Town staff, creating it with input from the planning commission, during study sessions that were held last Spring. 2) The town council were very supportive of the residents frustrations about such poor meeting notice. We all must check the Town website often. the challenge is that it is impossible to navigate to get data if you do not know exactly what you are looking for – and that is why you are going online? ( [ sorry Rick Pshaw; I respectfully say if there are that many steps to try to sleuth for data – it is NOT adequate public notice ] 3) The Town Council voiced their concerns that the list of "opportunity sites' listed some sites for potential redevelopment that were not likely to be viable for actual development. To see the list of sites, go to Danville website, then in middle bar there are arrows right & left; click on these until you see Housing Element. ( or : Web Link ) Then click on IV. Housing Resources and the lists and maps are in the center of this section of the PDF. One site is on the east side, the rest are predominantly west. Staff stated this was due to the lack of services east side, but transportation, groceries and medical seem to be equally available in the east and west sides of town ?
4) The few sites the Council removed were to reduce the time and energy of staff, council and the residents going back and forth in the GENRAL PLAN meetings about these sites. ( Which will narrow the 20+ sites down to the remaining very few that could POTENTIALLY be rezoned to be developed in the future. ). Nothing is being confirmed to be BUILT in the GENERAL PLAN meetings. The GENRAL PLAN is the process every city must go through periodically; to " set forth the Town's vision for long-term growth and development:" EVERYONE NEEDS TO GO TO ALL THESE UPCOMING MEETINGS.
5) We created a very Informal email tree to provide dates for future General Plan Meetings as our neighborhood hear about them : to join Send an email with your name, street name and email with "NOTICE ME" in subject line to : danvillemtgs@gmail.com. WE AS RESIDENTS MUST BE SURE WE KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR TOWN – THE NEXT TEN YEARS WE WILL SEE A LOT OF CHANGE.


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Posted by Danville Homes Downtown
a resident of Danville
on Dec 18, 2009 at 3:59 pm

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Very good article pertaining to State trying to force Towns to build affordable Housing; from Silicon Valley Law Group : Local Governments May Be Prohibited From Requiring Developers to Build Affordable Housing Units By Terri Molinaro, Esq.

Many local governments have enacted ordinances that require new housing developments to include a specified number of affordable housing units. A recent case held that one such ordinance conflicts with and was preempted by the Costa-Hawkins Act, and thus is unenforceable. In Palmer/Sixth Street Properties, L.P. v City of Los Angeles (2009)(Palmer v Los Angeles), 175 Cal. App. 4th 1396, the California Court of Appeal held in favor of the owner/developer, and prohibited the City of Los Angeles from enforcing its affordable housing ordinance; the California Supreme Court has let stand that decision as it denied review of the appellate court's ruling.
In Palmer v Los Angeles, the owner/developer, Palmer, submitted plans to the City of Los Angeles (City) to develop a mixed use project. The proposed project is in an area in Los Angeles governed by a Specific Plan (Plan) adopted by the City, which Plan imposes affordable housing requirements on residential and mixed use projects. The City conditionally approved Palmer's project subject to his compliance with the affordable housing requirements. As a result, Palmer was required (i) to construct 60 low income dwelling units (to replace 60 units that had been demolished at the site in 1990), which replacement units would be subject to rent restrictions "for the life of the dwelling units or for 30 years, whichever is greater," or (ii) pay an in-lieu fee. Palmer argued that the affordable housing requirement was contrary to the Costa-Hawkins Act and that imposition of the requirement reduced, if not entirely eliminated, the economic motivation to proceed .
See whoel article at :
Web Link


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Posted by Danville Homes Downtown
a resident of Danville
on Dec 18, 2009 at 3:59 pm

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Very good article pertaining to State trying to force Towns to build affordable Housing; from Silicon Valley Law Group : Local Governments May Be Prohibited From Requiring Developers to Build Affordable Housing Units By Terri Molinaro, Esq.

Many local governments have enacted ordinances that require new housing developments to include a specified number of affordable housing units. A recent case held that one such ordinance conflicts with and was preempted by the Costa-Hawkins Act, and thus is unenforceable. In Palmer/Sixth Street Properties, L.P. v City of Los Angeles (2009)(Palmer v Los Angeles), 175 Cal. App. 4th 1396, the California Court of Appeal held in favor of the owner/developer, and prohibited the City of Los Angeles from enforcing its affordable housing ordinance; the California Supreme Court has let stand that decision as it denied review of the appellate court's ruling.
In Palmer v Los Angeles, the owner/developer, Palmer, submitted plans to the City of Los Angeles (City) to develop a mixed use project. The proposed project is in an area in Los Angeles governed by a Specific Plan (Plan) adopted by the City, which Plan imposes affordable housing requirements on residential and mixed use projects. The City conditionally approved Palmer's project subject to his compliance with the affordable housing requirements. As a result, Palmer was required (i) to construct 60 low income dwelling units (to replace 60 units that had been demolished at the site in 1990), which replacement units would be subject to rent restrictions "for the life of the dwelling units or for 30 years, whichever is greater," or (ii) pay an in-lieu fee. Palmer argued that the affordable housing requirement was contrary to the Costa-Hawkins Act and that imposition of the requirement reduced, if not entirely eliminated, the economic motivation to proceed .
See whoel article at :
Web Link


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Posted by Danville Homes Downtown
a resident of Danville
on Dec 18, 2009 at 5:09 pm

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To be best informed about what passed :

>> Go to the Housing Element : Web Link
Huge Document : at a minimum, please Read Sections IV. Housing Resources, and VI. Housing Plan

>> Sign up at Danville Website for Meeting Alerts : Web Link

To be best informed about what comes next :

>> Look for Date / times and agendas the coming months and attend all the 2010 General Plan Update Meetings that you can. The Town Council staff were very clear that they appreciated the input of the many residents who came to the 12-15 meeting.

>> very informal email tree ; 2010 General Plan Meeting Date Notices as posted, as we are aware of them: danvillemtgs@gmail.com

Please participate and make sure our town moves through the next decade the way we as residents want it to. Happy Holidays !


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Posted by member
a resident of John Baldwin Elementary School
on Dec 19, 2009 at 8:37 am

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I was at the meeting and the town planner does not want to notify the public. When criticized on the notification process he stated publicly that, "When there is widespread notification we tend to have the sort of malestrom we're seeing tonight."

We're all very sorry that that the public's concern over the character of our community is making his job so difficult.


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Posted by member
a resident of John Baldwin Elementary School
on Dec 19, 2009 at 8:43 am

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This is a problem of our representation in Sacramento. The town is being forced to rezone because state law has empowered the housing commission to examine our community to determine whether we have enough low income people to suit them.

Our assembly member Joan Buchanan is part of the Democrat majority that has voted to raise our income taxes to 11% and steal our sales taxes as a means of coercing us into changing the character of our town with these draconian affordable housing policies. I hope that we can vote her out next fall and allow her to spend more time in this community. Perhaps it will renew her appreciation for what a wonderful place Danville is.


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Posted by Boilermaker
a resident of Danville
on Dec 19, 2009 at 10:02 am

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This is a critical issue for Danville, that could permanently alter the great character of our town. It is very important that we continue to stay informed,and continue to make it clear to our elected representatives that we are against forced socialized housing, and all the crime, drop in property values, and over use of our limited resources that come from this type of government action.


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Posted by member
a resident of John Baldwin Elementary School
on Dec 19, 2009 at 12:10 pm

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Pleasanton has addressed this problem by telling the state to go jump in the lake.

There is an article in today's Contra Costa Times describing how Pleasanton has set a limit on the total number of housing units. Thus, they are not going to build more low and very low income housing to comply with state demands.

The town planner rightly pointed out that Pleasanton has been sued for pursuing this course of action.

I say, "three cheers" for Pleasanton. They don't want to become Dublin -- and neither do we. I hope they succeed.


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Posted by member
a resident of John Baldwin Elementary School
on Dec 19, 2009 at 12:10 pm

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Pleasanton has addressed this problem by telling the state to go jump in the lake.

There is an article in today's Contra Costa Times describing how Pleasanton has set a limit on the total number of housing units. Thus, they are not going to build more low and very low income housing to comply with state demands.

The town planner rightly pointed out that Pleasanton has been sued for pursuing this course of action.

I say, "three cheers" for Pleasanton. They don't want to become Dublin -- and neither do we. I hope they succeed.


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Posted by Ralph Hoffmann
a resident of Walnut Creek
on Dec 21, 2009 at 7:57 am

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Somehow, I guessed this article might get a few comments!


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Posted by Danville Homes Downtown
a resident of Danville
on Dec 21, 2009 at 10:15 am

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Psoeted 12-21 danville weekly


Please understand that just because the town staff have created a new Housing Element, it does not mean the Town has approved any "low income / affordable " housing projects, so every citizen should have the chance to get involved and make their opinions heard as the General Plan is Updated. Town staff compiled a very thorough and first-rate Housing Element, per the stringent standards of the HCD requirements; a very complicated process and not a simple task. State officials are the ones to hold responsible for the HCD requirements existing – not the Town staff !

Based upon the reflections at this past weeks meeting, the responsibility is on the Town to provide adequate notices, so that anyone who wishes to attend is aware the General Plan meetings are occurring and the obligation is now on the residents to attend the General Plan Meetings.

The concern this past week was that residents felt they had scant notice their homes and neighborhoods were being conferred about. Emotions were high. Neighborhoods felt threatened, and lack of information fueled that fire. Tragically, had the residents and surrounding neighbors been in the loop all along, understood the process and felt they "owned" the decisions that were included in the Housing Element, the concerns at last week's meeting would have very likely been a non-issue.

Decrying Town Staff or others is an unfortunate side-effect of the frustration we all felt last week; time to move on with a positive attitude ~~Feel very lucky I have the luxury of living in a Town where residents do care !


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Posted by leo
a resident of Alamo
on Dec 21, 2009 at 5:49 pm

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Well, now all you lovely folks know why we smart folks in Alamo voted not to be a town like Danville.

By the way, my neighbor Julia Pardini (most of you know her as just Julia from Alamo)and best friend is also expressing joy that we did the right thing.

I think we speak for most of the Alamo folks...when we say, all you common sense Danville residents...get rid of those brain dead animal that sit on your board.

And, Greg the reason you allow a hand full on no bodies govern your life is because we do the same in DC...approx. 300+ real brain dead animal dictate to 300+ million. We are sheep and they know it.

Thanks Leo and my friend Julia


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