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25 reasons NOT to go to San Francisco

Original post made on Dec 23, 2010

You know this place is great. That's why you moved here. So the next time your snooty friend in San Francisco calls and wants you to come up to the city for the day, tell him (or her) to come here instead.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, December 23, 2010, 10:16 AM

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Posted by Rick Pshaw
a resident of Danville
on Dec 23, 2010 at 3:55 pm

The BEST reason not to go to San Francisco is to not reward what you don't want. I don't want to contribute to any part of their ridiculous political structure, opinions, beliefs or economy.

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Posted by Ralph N. Shirlet
a resident of another community
on Dec 23, 2010 at 6:52 pm

Dear Jessica,

There are many reasons to enjoy the excitement and neighborhoods of San Francisco. Most specifically is the humanity and intelligence of every moment in our CITY. We should not assume that our corridor matches that invitation or the real life that exists in districts throughout the CITY. Most importantly, the world comes to San Francisco to enjoy our global focus and invitation.

Danville, in its quiet efforts to matter should invite our CITY's residents and those world visitors to enjoy the rustic, relaxed quiet of a moment's stop in what was long ago in the celebration of this community.

But the invitation is less and long gone.

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Posted by psmacintosh
a resident of Danville
on Dec 24, 2010 at 10:42 am

"14. Free tennis. Gotta love the beautiful courts at the high schools, at Athan Downs and Central Park in San Ramon and Osage Station Park in Danville. There is also a drop-in tennis group that begins play around 8 a.m. each weekend morning, if you're 3.0 or better."

You've got to be kidding!
Danville has the WORST public tennis courts and city-organized tennis programs around. (SF's aren't great either, but are better.)
Furthermore, San Ramon is even more discouraging and repressive than Danville in terms of its tennis programs. (They don't allow any public USTA league team play by volunteers.)

Check out the earthquake-sized cracks in the court pavement at SRVHS, for instance. And at MVHS, as well. +50 year old fencing. Poor drainage. Terrible maintenance condition (except when volunteers clean them). Ripped windscreens. Constant rocks on them. Abuse by under-supervised PE programs. Barely usable lights (dim).

As far as FREE public tennis programs (entirely organized by NON-CITY volunteer effort), yes, Danville is unduly blessed.
In addition to the weekend morning drop-in, check out the weekday evening drop-in through the free "Danville Tennis Club" with free drop-in tennis, for 3.5 level and above, on Tue, Wed, Thurs evenings at 6:30 - 9 PM at SRVHS.

How is this good:
The local High Schools only have 8 tennis courts (6 at SRVHS), which is a low/poor amount for good school tennis programs.
The park courts only have 2-3 courts (insufficient for many types of tennis programs). And there are NO PLANS to develop more courts at Osage.
Existing tennis courts are dominated during prime time hours by paid teaching pros (with monopolistic, commercial contracts with the city....or not).

The private tennis clubs are expensive and also booked to capacity during prime times (but are where most top school players are developed).

The poor tennis courts and intentionally non-existent city-tennis system is a good reason to LEAVE Danville/San Ramon area.

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Posted by n
a resident of Danville
on Dec 24, 2010 at 12:35 pm

Good, psmacintosh, then leave!!

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Posted by Alamo resident
a resident of Alamo
on Dec 25, 2010 at 10:49 am

First - Merry Christmas and a Happy 2011 to everyone !

Psmacintosh clearly has severe "tennis court" issues and should seek a local support group. A trip should be made to S.F. so they can compare the cracks and/or quality of their public tennis courts.

The article was intended as a great overview of all that our San Ramon Valley has to offer. We are blessed....

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Posted by Brock Keeling
a resident of another community
on Dec 27, 2010 at 12:03 pm


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Posted by Alfred Plausible
a resident of another community
on Dec 27, 2010 at 1:36 pm

It seems a large number of these points are either directly related to cars or driving, or involve several miles of road travel to reach. As near as I can tell, the "Danville" area is not transit accessible, and if it were, it appears too spread out for walking. As no proper San Francisco resident owns a car, the suggestions in the article would largely appear to be moot.

But Mt. Diablo is nice, yes.

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Posted by feedthebirds
a resident of another community
on Dec 27, 2010 at 1:42 pm


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Posted by harlen
a resident of another community
on Dec 27, 2010 at 2:45 pm

Just be careful of Schierholtz's brother!

Web Link

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Posted by Mark Twain
a resident of another community
on Dec 27, 2010 at 3:36 pm

I never said anything bad about San Francisco weather. In one of my letters, I recount the story of a man being asked if he had seen such a cold winter. He responded, "Yes, last winter." I added that he must have spent it in Paris.

Check Snopes, better luck next time.

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Posted by Ralph N. Shirlet
a resident of another community
on Dec 27, 2010 at 4:27 pm

So much humor being shared, Jessica,

How about a challenge.

During the early 20th century, many San Francisco families would take public transportation to our area, including Diablo, to enjoy warm weather and the outdoors. There is a very exceptional history in photographs at the DiabloCC clubhouse and at Shadelands Museum.

Why not interview a lovely, exceptional resource, Ms. Beverly Lane, and determine that changes that have Danville and the San Ramon Valley so distant to San Francisco and the inner bay area. More, determine why the volume of global visitors to the City, Napa, Livermore and Monterey, simply never see our valley as inviting.

What hospitality, transportation, and celebration is missing or simply missed by visitors?

I am confident that your perspective will be important.

Simply the smile of Ralph N. Shirlet

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Posted by turtles
a resident of another community
on Dec 28, 2010 at 4:20 pm

Just think of how many schools, parks, and other great things your city could fund if it stopped subsidizing auto parking like San Francisco did.

Free Parking isn't really free -- check out Dr. Donald Shoup on Fox News and learn why: Web Link

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Posted by Ralph N. Shirlet
a resident of another community
on Dec 28, 2010 at 4:40 pm

Dear Jessica,

What about subsidizing light houses and shoe strings? What if more people would walk if they had shoe strings to hold the shoes on and a light house to walk to and from. And what if we only allowed people to park their garages rather than their cars?

When I was in Shin Yokohama, I noted that cars dissappeared into a device that, much like the devices in cleaners, simply took the cars away into the floors above and brought them back when the number was entered.

It could be built to look like a light house and likely on a shoe string, if you get my DRIFT.

Oh, yes, I am so Rolling On the Floor Laughing (ROFL).

Ralph N. Shirlet

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Posted by supertamsf
a resident of another community
on Dec 28, 2010 at 6:07 pm

The first item on the list is the most ridiculous. FREE PARKING!

No great city is known for it's abundance of parking. No one has ever said "Let's go to Paris, Rome, London .... we can PARK!" The irony being, there in nothing interesting to see or do because the land is taken up by parking lots. It's called "Urban Sprawl" It's ugly. It's lame and one of the greatest failure of modern times.

Turtles is right. Free parking isn't free as Prof. Donald Shoup from UCLA has said.

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Posted by turtles
a resident of another community
on Dec 28, 2010 at 9:51 pm

...and just to add to supertamsf's point -- as far as I can tell all the FREE PARKING at the shops at Bishop Ranch are full of chain stores like Whole Foods, Pasta Pomodoro, Borders Books, Peet's Coffee, Supercuts, and Baja Fresh -- all Formula Retail, easily accessible in city's across the nation. You could be in Idaho, Arizona, or any other suburban sprawl across the country and not even know it.

People travel for unique experiences -- not formula retail. Plus, if a city is pinning it's tax base's hopes to someone too cheap to pay for parking, that's a bad sign.

And the worst part? Looking at the Google Satellite, there aren't even sidewalks into the strip mall. meaning that you couldn't safely walk there legally or safely if you wanted to, anyway. So, the city is forcing people to drive to spend money at corporate stores based in other cities -- lose/lose.

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Posted by Danville & SF Resident
a resident of Blackhawk
on Dec 29, 2010 at 11:29 am

This article is nonsense and should have just focused on nice things about the valley here. The reality is there is very little that this area has to offer for a visitor that you can't get in SF...other than maybe a little peace (which city dwellers know where to find it if they want it).

1. SF has over 17,000 restaurants to choose from. And unless you're dining in the top 1% of them....they're still ALL cheaper than anything you get out here. In fact, a Blackhawk eatery has the most expensive small pizza I've encountered in any pizza place in either SF or NY. Nearly enough to cover your "parking" while eating.

2. SPAS - Can you even tell me where to go for a great day spa east of Claremont? Seriously. Regardless of price, very little to offer here. You're better off spending the $120 for the day spa and 60 min massage at the Four Seasons in SF.

3. Trails - yes, we got SF on that one! But still tons too do and hike in SF.

4. Performing arts....come on. Let's get real here.

I could go on and on...and have nothing against our town but the snooty attitude, overpriced-undervalued food, and arrogance, but this article is just plain fluff.

Proud to be a Danville resident (sometimes), even more proud to be a SF resident.

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Posted by Yangmusa
a resident of another community
on Dec 29, 2010 at 1:56 pm

Why would you drive in SF? It's unecessary and makes the city less pleasant for everyone (driver included). Anything you need is within walking, biking or transit distance - and it's so much faster and more convenient without parking hassles.

Mt Diablo is great - it's a nice day trip to bike from Walnut Creek BART to the peak and back. Iron Horse Trail is also pleasant, though I wish the suburban roads were better for pedestrians and cyclists.

This article was kind of lame. It should have focused more on attractions outside the city, rather than criticizing the city for things like parking. You know, if SF had as much parking as the 'burbs then it would *be* the 'burbs like anywhere else in the United States of Generica - and why would anyone bother coming here?

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Posted by carly
a resident of another community
on Jan 31, 2011 at 2:09 am

San Ramon is a very spread out and uncomfortable city. Not a thing worth doing happens there. This is a relatively safe area compared to what is happening around them. So if you want to take a nap in the park....relax....nothings gonna happen, enjoy yourself. But interesting? Ha...forget it.
Get serious about the Arts lol. Bunch of kids getting started so?????? - boring and it's just for the kids and their family. I would be embarrased to give any one of these 25 reasons to anyone in stupid do you think people are? You know your getting desperate when you throw that list around. Stop with the jokes if your trying to be serious!
People come from all over the world to visit SF ...everyday....there are really good reasons why that happens. Maybe Glenn Wohltmann
needs to get out a little bit more. As far as the trail goes...the entire city is bike friendly...granted there is lots of congestion but thats what happens in a world class city... when you want to enjoy world class Ambiance...Arts, Culture, Theater, Architecture, Exhibits and Cuisine. Also listed as one of the most beautiful cities in the world! I have never seen Danville, San Ramon or Alamo as a favorite destination on any list except for his. There is a reason for that too. Realize where and why you are here. Then
take BART and your bike to SF and have a wonderful time!!!

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