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on Jan 25, 2011
Be proud Danville that you are not caught up in the nannyism that is so prevalent elsewhere. The Lung Association's agenda is not a bad one - smoking is bad for us and we all know it - but we do not want the public cudgel of the state, county or township coming down on our private heads telling us what we can or cannot do in our personal lives.
Highly suspicious study. Richmond rceives an A where they have no money or much of anything to bring to the table but give the communities where people work and make decent incomes an F to manipulate them into ponying up more $$ for their needs to intrude more into our lives. Hmmmm
Both Bill and Doug are right on the money. I'm not a smoker and never have been. I'm tired of the government telling me how to live my life. Danville gets an "F" and Richmond gets an "A"?? Does anyone really think there is more smoking in Danville?? There is a hidden agenda here...
It is entirely possible that what Danville does or doesn't do is none of the Amerrican Lung Associations business. Enough nannyism! If you don't like second hand smoke don't go where it is present.....
A Danville non-smoker
People still smoke? I can't remember the last time I saw someone smoking in Danville.
I don't smoke either, but if someone wants to smoke, that's their business as far as I'm concerned. We don't need the government intruding into our personal habits.
I can't believe people aren't more upset about Obama using executive powers last year to ban clove cigarette sales. Talk about government overreach!
What's next? Laws about brushing your teeth?
You all must be kidding. How about the scenario at a local park that has kids playing on the structures with all the parents watching, and a parent were to light up a cigarette. If I were to ask that parent to curtail their use for a whole myriad of reasons, the expected response would be "It is legal..." However if that were true, then why not just take my boom box out and play loud music to everyones dismay because selfishly it is what I want. I could retort that it is legal, I could retort that it is none of their nannyism business. Or you could call the police and have them address me with the fact that there is a noise ordinance on the books. How does my noise cause cancer?
No, the fact is it significantly reduces the park experience. In fact, people lighting up and boom boxes and alcohol and golf in the parks are all selfish pursuits that have negative impacts on shared use. Hence they typically all have ordinances that address such behaviour.
There is proof that 2nd AND 3rd hand smoke have consequences to ones health. So why does Danville NOT have a smoking in public place ordinance while it does a loud noise ordinance? I wager it is because we are fortunate to have a very low percentage of smokers and those that do now feel the pressure to not smoke flagrantly in public.
Okay, this doesn't generate page views or rile the ornery, but here's some Good News about the prevalence of smoking in CA -- thanks, I might add, in large part to the efforts of folks like the Lung Association:
* California has the second lowest adult smoking rate in the nation; only Utah's is lower.
* Adult smoking rates tumbled from 22.7 percent in 1988 to 13.3 percent in 2006.
* Among men, smoking decreased from 25.6 percent in 1988 to 17.5 percent in 2006.
* Among women, smoking decreased from 19.9 percent in 1988 to 9.1 percent in 2006.
* Among people 12 and older, California has the lowest smoking rate in the United States, this according to data released by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) in February 2007. *
Source: Web Link
I, for one, appreciate their efforts. And Duffy, perhaps you forget the wisdom of the saying: "Your freedom to swing your arms ends at my nose."
Hey LMP...you darn right there is a hidden agenda. I would bet, within 6 to 8 months we will see signs as we enter the town of Danville...
"Beware! You Are Entering The Town of Danville - A No Smoking Zone. Enjoy Shopping In Danville The Clean Air Community".
I'm almost sure the town leaders can't wait to right up the ordinance.
I personally find Bad Breath to be more offensive than smoke!
Hey Schultzie -- here's the venn diagram of "smokers" (A) and "people with bad breath" (B)
Great idea Julia!
Maybe the young guys at the Danville Hardware will get the message. I stopped in there 2 weeks ago and will never go back. That was the first time I have smelled smoke in public in years. I forgot how bad that stuff smells! It even has a "No Smoking" sign on the door. Maybe that means outside the store? Too bad, because the service was good!
According to Joe Calabrigo, Danville does have a smoking ordinance. He told me:
"We do have certain prohibitions within our public parks. You can't smoke in or around children's play areas."
He also said that while Parks and Leisure Services have suggested strengthening the prohibitions, it's not coming before city council any time soon.
I agree with you that the lack of change in this area is do to the "very low percentage of smokers" you speak of. In the past year, I've maybe seen one person light up on a public street. I'd much rather the city let smokers be then spend much needed money on programs to lock them inside their homes.
The statement that the city has not received any smoking complaints over the past 5 years is not true. I personally complained on several occasions about the cigar smokers at Hot Summer Nights. It is a fanmily event and the smell of pungent cigar smoke detracts from the fine atmosphere of the show. In fact, the only reason people smoke cigars there is because their significant others won't let them do it at home. I'm against big government and more for common sense, but I do object to the cigar smoke at the car shows.
The ALA gets millions from Johnson and Johnsons "Smokeless States Program" to hire lobbyists for smoking bans. They have become nothing more than a tax exempt political action committee.
The ALA can go jump in a lake!
Richmond better than Danville? Sure...just go to Richmond and you can see smokers everywhere.
I agree that there is some hidden agenda here.
NOTE TO DANVILLE CITY COUNCIL: DON"T EVEN THINK ABOUT SPENDING A DIME ON THIS. WE'RE SICK OF NANNYISM FROM ALL OF THESE NON-PROFITS!
Well folks, government intrudes in other areas for the common good. Is it someone's own business if they prefer to drink and drive? Is government intrusion by making laws that make it illegal to steal money from a bank or from you while you are walking down the street? Why is government wasting its time by writing and enforcing drug laws? If if someone decides to take heroin and peddle it around school yards, well it's personal freedom and government shouldn't be making that decision for us. Remember years ago when the government mandated seat belts in cars? People screamed that the government was intruding on personal freedoms and restricting drivers. The same thing happened when air bags were required. Smoking? Heck, it only causes lung cancer, emphysema and a dozen other fatal, cancerous diseases. So what if it also causes diseases in innocent bystanders and children? So what if smokers increase the burden on our already most-expensive-in-the-world health care system and contribute to higher health insurance rates for everyone. Hey, it's a personal choice and government should stay out of it.
Wool Shirts are constantly shedding wool fibers. Wool fibers can be irritating to the nose, eyes and throat! I think it is time that we ban wool shirts and Danville should take the lead. Let us be known as the Wool Shirt Free Zone!
Think of all the teen suicides due to boyfriends. Let's ban boyfriends while we're at it.
I agree with Gary about the comment that the City has not had any complaints. We participated in the Summer Boccee Ball league. One of the teams smoked cigars from start to finish. It was a miserable time even if you weren't playing with them and they were on the next court.
When we complained (along with all the other teams) we were told "smoking is permitted in parks- just not around the kids play area". It got to the point where we almost wanted to quit. No one was smoking cigarettes- just cigars that create even more smoke residue! These guys knew it bothered everyone and just didn't care. It was their "right" to do so. I guess we don't have a "right" to breathe clean air in a pulic park.
There is a hidden agenda here. PAlo alto unified is in trouble because try don't have enough kids of color (non-albinos?) in special Ed classes. Follow the $ trail.
Folks, there is no hidden agenda here. It's the same agenda that freed the slaves, that was behind the voting rights act, and that was and is behind so many of the laws enacted at a great price in blood, sweat, and human lives that asserted the freedom and self determination of exploited groups. Not necessarily "minorities." In the US, the "minorities" were often the majorities, but denied human rights by the minorities.
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