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New Bay Bridge can't handle capacity projections, analysts say

Original post made on Aug 28, 2013

With the Bay Bridge closing late in the day Wednesday and reopening Sept. 3 with its redesigned eastern span, Bay Area transit planners believe trans-Bay Traffic capacity will reach the limit by 2035.

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Comments (14)

Posted by Grandma, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 28, 2013 at 6:59 am

We have driven over the old Bay Bridge for years. Driving over it for the last time today. People have been taking photos of the bridge as they drive across in its last days. The new bridge looks like a beauty.


Posted by Julia, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 28, 2013 at 10:34 am

Yes Grandma...the new bridge is a real expensive beauty that solves NOTHING except satisfying those that think the old bridge was going to fall down. Wake up Grandma and all you other naive masses.

The new bridge solves NOTHING... It is the worst waste of money other than the high speed rail wet dream.

Some day MAYBE the good folks of California just my wake up to reality.

Thanks for listening, Julia Pardini from Alamo

What the East Bay and the West Bay needs is a new Southern Crossing. But there are no leaders with the guts to follow through. Of course knowing how long it took to build the new beautiful wasteful Eastern span of the bay bridge...the only people that would experience the benefit of a Southern crossing are not even born yet. The older generation knew how too...the new generation just sits back and thinks about it. You are a sorry bunch of young middle aged thinkers.


Posted by Conservator, a resident of Danville
on Aug 29, 2013 at 8:35 am

@Julia,

Your material is starting to tire. However, since you brought it up and - presuming - that such a southern crossing could be built in a timeframe that you would likely live-out, where would you put it?

South of the Dumbarton? Perhaps afford a direct link to the Palace that the 49ers are building?. South of the San Mateo or further north towards the East Bay city that your writings rarely have anything good to say about? So please, humor the thoughtless and naive with your city planning skills. Let us know where you would place it.

Lastly, forgive my criticality. However, all of our language usage is usually as a direct result of a lifetime of accumulated experiences. While technically correct, the term 'crossing' is generally held out for rivers akin to likely your own experiences as a small child in a horse-drawn wagon...


Posted by Julia, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 29, 2013 at 9:44 am

Dear Conservator, Thank you for acknowledging your lack of knowledge regarding the Bay Area Bridge Southern Crossing.

I would like to tell you where to put the Southern Crossing but I know my friends at Danville Express would censor me out. So I would just refer you to goggle "Southern Crossing" and you will get all the information you need to satisfy your lack of intelligence regarding this matter.

By the way Conservator thank you for listening and reading my input. That alone tell me you have some brain activity. Without folks like you the Danville Express would lack excitement.

Thank you, Julia Pardini from Alamo

Now if the Danville Express Staff thinks I was too harsh on Conservator and hurt his/her feelings go a head and delete me...it's your call...but if you do, shame on you.


Posted by Conservator, a resident of Danville
on Aug 29, 2013 at 11:50 am

Dear Julia,

In the words of a notable author of our time, "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge" (Asimov).

I would not worry about being censored. Your guile ramblings actually bring an entertainment perspective that a surely tight-budgeted organization like TDE would never be able to pay. You really should consider taking your stick on the road - wagon or paved.


Posted by Beth, a resident of Danville
on Aug 30, 2013 at 8:25 am

Why doesn't BART put enough parking spaces at their stations? That is a deterrent from taking BART. How stupid to have this great form of massive transit, but not put enough parking at the stops (i.e. Walnut Creek, Lafayette).


Posted by Julia, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 30, 2013 at 8:56 am

Dear Conservator, Thank you so much for taking the time to read and respond to my directed comments. I see you still are not addressing my Southern Crossing idea. You are way too busy wanting to discredit my plan.

That's okay, I did not expect any more than what I got from you.

But in reality if you are truly interested...A Southern crossing would solve the Bay Crossing situation for many years. The new bridge did not solve the traffic problem. And please don't give me that bunk about the Eastern Span falling into the water.

With your through process in hand, I am sure you will vote for Hillary Clinton and Monica's boyfriend to occupy our White House...

I am also sure you may not have reached the age of reason...you will get it some day.

But Again, Thank you so much for listening and commenting on my opinion. You are a true loyal reader of the Danville Express.

Julia Pardini, from Alamo


Posted by Julia, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 30, 2013 at 9:03 am

Dear Beth, There is nothing strange about this matter.

You can log it in as lack of planning and very poor management.

Don't ever expect any more than that from public agency's.

They do not care about the general public. They are all self serving folks that use those positions as stepping stones to other public places.

I do agree with Beth...but I would say it is more than stupid.

Thanks for your input...Julia Pardini from Alamo


Posted by JT, a resident of Danville
on Aug 30, 2013 at 9:03 am

Southern Crossing = Airport to Airport
with tram and/or Bart connecting both ends. Wow, what a concept.

If the Bay Bridge runs out of capacity in 2035, then we have done something desperately wrong. We need better alternative transportation. For instance why was not a cheaper bridge design used, let's say to the tune of $2B less, and then take the $2B and build a monster parking lot at each and every BART station.

Collectively we make stupid decisions. And that is one for the ages.


Posted by Conservator, a resident of Danville
on Aug 30, 2013 at 10:31 am

Yet again Julia, I'll offer you the acknowledgement that you've added to my ignorance by you're expressed pearls of wisdom. Let's try to see if we can agree on one thing. By the time 2035 rolls around, it's highlight unlikely that many of today's transportation solutions will be the most prominent solutions for that near-mid century era. Agree?

In terms of whom I might or might not vote for (and who might ever run for that matter) does seem to imply a political bias on my part. Clairvoyance must clearly be another of your unique contributions to this community.

In terms of that age of wisdom, when did it arrive for yourself? Do you ever find occasion to display it?


Posted by C. R. Mudgeon, a resident of Danville
on Aug 30, 2013 at 11:50 am

Not to put too fine a point on it, but having more capacity on the new eastern span of the Bay Bridge doesn't make much sense, when the existing western span has no plans for expansion.

Both spans have 5 lanes in each direction. In the case of the western span, there are no shoulders. The new eastern span has shoulders on both sides, so it might be argued that this does provide some room for possible future expansion. But since there are no plans to do anything to the western span, this may not matter. (It's not obvious what the possible solutions might be for adding capacity to the western span. A 3rd deck, perhaps, as a reversible set of lanes? I have never seen this topic discussed, and so don't know what might be possible....)

The new eastern span also has bike lanes, as I understand it, but these essentially end at the island.


Posted by Citizen Paine, a resident of Danville
on Aug 30, 2013 at 12:51 pm

Those bike lanes are where my bleeding heart parts company with the new bridgers. They are 'a lane to nowhere.' Why not make the ferries set aside money for some pontoon pedal boats, but only allow them to go as far as Alcatraz?

The only way those lanes would make sense is if they required the i-d-10-t, lane-splitting motorcyclists to use them, and give the rest of us a brief respite from their lives on the far edge of sanity.


Posted by Julia, a resident of Alamo
on Sep 1, 2013 at 10:28 am

Dear Conservator..yes I agree...oh wait a minute, no I don't agree. To be honest your third sentence is somewhat confusing.

I do know the new Eastern span did nothing to improve the flow of traffic and it NEVER will. It did make a laughing stock out of we the people in California for allowing those brain dead leaders guide us through the most miss-designed bridge ever built. I just hope they do not remove the original bridge until we experience an earthquake around 4 or 5 plus. I wonder witch one will be standing..

If anyone is serious about dealing with heavy traffic flow...two things must be done...Build the Southern Crossing and start construction on an additional bore between Orinda and Oakland. When the fourth bore is completed and open to traffic it will be already obsolete. Start now with the 5th and maybe the 6th bore and just maybe within the next 20 years the flow of traffic between Alameda County and CCC maybe much better. But of course now they have to deal the hour glass issue. Well I guess we just have too many people wanting to go in the same direction at the same time.

I do like the idea about largeer parking facilities at each BART Station.

Oh well that's enough for a Sunday morning chat...

take care my dear friends...Julia Pardini from Alamo


Posted by Conservator, a resident of Danville
on Sep 1, 2013 at 11:17 am

Dear Julia,

Thank-you for taking the time to follow my thoughts.

So your enlightened perspective would have us punching ever more holes in the mountain on the way to Oakland and Berkeley. Brilliant idea. In order to accommodate the additional vehicular traffic that would present on either side of those 'holes', which side of 680 around Alamo would you propose be widened?

Perhaps your pursuit of finding a solution 'under the bridge' as opposed to over it does have merit. I have no doubt that you find life on the under more appeasing then over.


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