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on Mar 31, 2014
No no no this cannot be!!!!!!we are in global warming/climate change!!! Oh my goodness!! I MUST call Al Gore or the communist UN to report this error!!!! What might this DO to the brainwashing of our children in the schools!?!
Hopefully the kids in school are being "brainwashed" enough to understand the difference between "weather" and "climate," unlike the gullible fools who fall for the propaganda paid for by cynical billionaires in a position to make a lot of short term profits by getting folks like Sandy to believe that science is a communist plot.
Interesting name, "Sandy." Despite your best efforts, you haven't yet unseated me as the costliest hurricane in US history. Web Link
Interesting that 24 of the costliest 25 such storms hit in the most recent 25 years. Some might identify a pattern there -- a trend, even ... nah. Probably just building costs. And those Commies have eyes Everywhere, including in hurricanes!
Seems Peter does not get sarcasm. The latest UN study came partly from East Anglia that was caught last year admitting they doctored their climate models to if the agenda. There Re over 1000 reputable scientists who know this is all a scam. Their reports and studies are blocks by the MSM. There is no climate change.
Looks like someone has a charter subscription to MyFACTS. Web Link
I guess John's "over 1000 reputable scientists" are just too bashful to, you know, write down what they really think:
Most people agree that the world has warmed over the past 100 years and that man is likely to blame. They know the planet will continue to warm, with dire consequences.
Dreamers like Peter think governments can stop it. But there's not enough political will.
Western nations aren't going to pay third world nations to stop deforestation or subsidize their adoption of expensive renewable energy. World governments have had 16 climate summits with nothing to show for it. Obama didn't even go to the last one.
Renewable energy is too expensive and not scalable enough to replace fossil fuels. People in Europe are seeing their utility rates rise due to expensive renewable energy and they're pissed. They're using more coal than ever. Their carbon market has collapsed. Australia is backsliding on their carbon emission goals. China & India's carbon emissions are growing exponentially. The US's emissions are down only due to an abundance of natural gas, thanks to new fracking technology, which Greens oppose, ironically.
Half the world lives on $2 a day or less. They crave cheap energy. Fossil fuels provide.
Sorry dreamers. At least you can now legally smoke pot. That's about all you hippies have accomplished.
Spcwt, Would you not acknowledge the abolishment of 'conscription' as a significant accomplishment of the 'hippie' movement? Surely you personally benefited from an academic deferment back in the day.
BTW, you make some very rational points on just how the world will or will not address the potential for climate 'evolution'. It makes me think that if no one can do a darn thing to make anything better, why not advocate for going back to leaded gas, burning our garbage out back and letting states like NJ dump their garbage in the ocean? To your point(s), who the heck should care about anything climate related, as nothing, and you made a very effective point about it truly being NOTHING, can be done about it.
Kind of puts us all into a quandary don't it? At least Peter K's message offers hope. Alas, for every dove, there is surely an old crow...
Ending the draft was no accomplishment. We never would've invaded Iraq if wealthy & middle class folks had to fight that stupid war. The only way to stop war is to make sure everyone has a stake in preventing it.
New Jersey IS dumping their garbage in the ocean. It's worse than ever. They just dump it deeper at sea, or off the coast of Somalia, out of view.
More toxic waste is being pumped into the environment today than at any other time in human history.
Sorry to spoil your fantasy.
People SHOULD care about our environment. The problem is, they don't.
Much too 'dated' for fantasy anymore.
Your spinning yarns in regards to ocean dumping (Web Link). I will give you some credit that 'dumping' of waste from harbor dredging (which certainly may have toxic elements), fish remains and, yes, burial at sea of human remains is still legal. However, the classic hospital waste is no longer taken out of Port Elizabeth. And yes, I get the euphemism regarding Somalia.
Again, the quandaryÂ… I, like others, do think we have to envision life on this planet when our children reach our station in life and we are simply a toxic remnant of our own doing (i.e. embalming process). You seem to advocate otherwise while sheepishly acknowledging that we may be doing something wrong to this big, blue world. So are you for caring about something more then yourself and your portfolio or as you previously indicated, (paraphrase) "there is not a darn thing that can be done so why do anything anyways?"
There's a saying: "Perfect is the enemy of good." I agree, spcwt, the problem cannot be 100% solved overnight. But we have actually accomplished a lot in related areas, simply by trying. The Cuyahoga River is no longer in danger of catching fire. Smog in California is far less severe than it was 40 years ago, despite a doubling of the population. Remember the hole in the ozone over Antarctica? After we actually did something (banned CFCs) it stopped growing, and has actually begun to shrink. Web Link# It will take another 35 years before the effects of that particular form of pollution dissipate, and I'll be dead by then, but my kids will still be around. We "hippies" actually have a fair number of things to take pride in.
So with AGW. Yes, we're not going to stop it. The earth will be hotter in 2100 than it is now. But it will make a huge difference if it is only a couple of degrees hotter instead of four to six degrees hotter. So where to start?
Well, one thing is clear: the highest per capita emissions of CO2 in the world are right here in the U.S. We can lower our emissions without starving or freezing - or even seriously damaging our standard of living. We are the low hanging fruit. If we're not willing to take any significant steps how can we expect anyone else to do so? They're pointing at us and making the same argument that you are. Except it's a lot stronger from their side than yours. (Incidentally, I don't know where you're getting your "information" but in Europe the problem with the carbon market is that industries have actually reduced their carbon emissions so much that the pricing mechanism is endangered by a glut of credits that aren't being used. Not exactly the point you were trying to make, I don't think.)
I've cut my Danville home's annual electricity usage by 80% through a combination of solar panels and simple conservation methods - LED bulbs, etc. - and not only hasn't it cost me, I'm actually saving money. A drop in the bucket? Sure. But the ocean is just a whole lot of drops.
I haven't eliminated our use of fossil fuels. That would be "perfect." But I have significantly reduced it. That's "good." Could we get to the point where our state's backbone of hydroelectric power would be sufficient to level out the peaks and valleys of solar and wind power? I don't know. But even if we were simply able to reduce our per capita emissions of CO2 in half to the level of Europe, or by 2/3 to get to the level of China, we'd be doing a lot to lessen the degree of future harm we're causing.
Your argument is that you don't think we can win, so why even try. As Wayne Gretzky said, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
Banning CFCs worked because there was a viable substitute. There is no viable substitute for fossil fuels.
Making pollution illegal doesn't stop pollution. Liberals like you think that you've accomplished something just because you no longer see pollution on the New Jersey shore or California. It's still happening here, of course. Web Link But worse than that, your environmental laws have made it expensive to manufacture in the U.S. So now, you buy products from overseas factories that are not regulated, that pollute much worse than American factories ever did. The world is more polluted now than ever. Web Link
You're like those religious people who think they're doing something good by whipping themselves for sinning. You're not helping.
You could eliminate 100% of U.S. & other OECD country's carbon emissions and it still wouldn't stop catastrophic global warming. Web Link It sucks, because I really like this planet.
Sorry guys, this ship is sinking.
You know, spcwt, you remind me of the phony "protesters" who refused to pay the "war tax" added to phone bills back in the 1970's. They didn't like the war in Viet Nam, so they chose to "protest" it by.... keeping a few extra bucks in their pockets. You complain about the financial cost of doing business without polluting, and then say that discontinuing the wasteful, dirty practices won't help anyway, and people who work towards that end are just plain stupid "hippies."
Making pollution illegal isn't "perfect" - it doesn't "stop" pollution. But it is "good" - it does dramatically lessen pollution. Again: Cuyahoga River. California smog. What is your explanation for that dramatic decrease in pollution? Your "argument" boils down to: "There is no perfect answer now, and doing anything about the problem might cost me a few pennies, so I vote that we do nothing."
Whoopeee! An easy rationalization for doing nothing and... keeping a few extra bucks in your pocket. (And screw the grandchildren. What have they ever done for us?)
Go back to your own central premise, and look at it from the viewpoint of the Chinese. They have actually started to do something about their pollution. Are they as far along as we are in environmental protection? No. But what is to keep them from saying - as you do -"the other guys aren't doing as much as they can to solve this problem, so why should we?"
Remember, we emit three times as much CO2 per capita as the Chinese do. And tell me again why the solution to the problem shouldn't start here.
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