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San Ramon council holds forum on Tassajara Valley cemetery

Original post made on Jun 26, 2014

It was standing room only as people flooded into the San Ramon City Council chambers Tuesday night to discuss the cemetery project proposed for the Tassajara Valley.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, June 25, 2014, 6:09 PM

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Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 12:01 am

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I was disturbed by the many misconceptions speakers have about this cemetery and their unfounded worries about how it would affect them. I called Mayor Clarkson this afternoon, after posting my blog about it, to ask why this workshop was held. See my blog at Web Link

Clarkson told me the workshop was planned when the Council meeting was cancelled because three of the Councilmembers would be away that day and residents wanted to know what the plans were. However, the plans have changed and been updated through a Draft EIR and a Final EIR, neither of which were presented or discussed.

I'm not defending the cemetery. I agree with the neighbors in Tassajara Valley that the size and scope should be reduced. But the fears of residents in Dougherty Valley, who live two miles or more away from this property, are exaggerated and should calmed and not reinforced.

Roz Rogoff
San Ramon Observer blog


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 7:35 am

Amen Roz. I am shocked at the uproar in DV...These poor people need a "reality check" on development in general. People ALWAYS tackle scope & size FIRST when trying to mitigate a development that is ALREADY well in the works. That valley is one ugly sore sight - A cemetery would definitely IMPROVE it's aesthetics! (God knows they need SOMETHING better than the "wall to wall" housing!)


Posted by Ken Feinstein, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 7:38 am

Your facts are just wrong. I recommend spending a little time on Google Maps to see the distances actually involved, both driving and "as the crow flies."

As far as "calming our fears" goes, we as a community have studied this carefully. We understand the issues. We made our voices clear at the meeting and we will continue doing so.


Posted by mloliver, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 8:48 am

I'm sure it was mentioned at the meeting, which I didn't attend because I was on vacation, but Ken and the others who are in opposition need to make their positions clear to the planners and Board of Supervisors in Contra Costa County, since they are the agency in control of this project. City input will be considered, but had little influence on the overall development of Dougherty Valley, and I don't see that changing over a cemetery.

What I haven't heard mentioned in the articles with the emphasis needed, is water and vandalism. Water in the Dougherty Valley not served by a water district, has reached dire levels this year, and many property owners are having to truck in water for livestock and even in some cases, home use. The aquifers, which are low producers in a good year, are drying up.

As far as vandalism is concerned, a graveyard is a prime target for teen pranks and vandals, and just from the apparent positioning of the cemetery property, it appears isolated and difficult to police.

I personally have no objection to a cemetery in San Ramon, and there is a need, but we must not create a drain on the community or an attractive nuisance, no matter where it is sighted.

MLO


Posted by Ken Feinstein, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 9:01 am

MLO,

Thanks for your comments. The city meeting was just a warm-up exercise for our community. We understand that the real fight will take place at the county level, and this recent meeting has helped us raise awareness a great deal.

I think the comments at the meeting by the local farmers about water issues were the most powerful. Putting aside our legitimate concerns, the cemetery just can't work at that location.


Posted by Cynic, a resident of Danville
on Jun 26, 2014 at 9:21 am

So maybe I'm just a cynic. First, the Tri-Valley has been growing by leaps and bounds and yet there haven't been any new cemeteries built. Where are we supposed to bury our dead?

Second, the area in question is all the way out along Camino Tassajara away from everyone in unincorporated space. San Ramon City Council say they don't have any say on the project - it's under Contra Costa County's control.

Now, here comes the cynicism. Do you think it's possible that San Ramon brought this up to create a bunch of outrage in an attempt to get everyone to march on Contra Costa County's planning commission to get the project scrapped so sometime in the near future San Ramon can annex the area and then approve more wall to wall housing projects? This would certainly generate more income for the city than a cemetery that uses only about a quarter of the property.


Posted by Ken Feinstein, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 10:22 am

"Cynic", as you know perfectly well, what you suggest is completely impossible. San Ramon cannot annex the area and has no interest in annexing the area. The meeting was held because the cemetery negatively affects San Ramon residents.

And, as you know perfectly well, there is not actually a shortage of cemetery space. Plus, the trend is very strongly towards cremation in this area. So a giant cemetery in the middle of farmland is probably a bad business idea. But the landowners don't care about that, do they? All they care about is getting the cemetery approved so they can sell the land at a quick profit.

This is a battle between a few moneyed interests and a community of people who care deeply about their homes and their families. Most people in San Ramon and Danville don't even know yet about the proposed cemetery, and look at the turnout at the meeting.

"Cynics" should not underestimate people's feelings and passions on issues that affect their families.


Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 11:07 am

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Ken,

It's hardly a "quick profit" when this project has been planned for almost ten years. Most development moves at a snails pace and takes many years if ever to produce any profit.

I agree with cynic that this meeting was used by Phil O'Loane to stir up opposition. Phil's opposition to any development in Tassajara Valley is well known. I phoned Bill Clarkson to ask why he went along with it and he dodged that question and said it was the residents who asked about it. You appear to be one of the instigators. I guess I'm a cynic too.

MLO,

Most of the speakers brought up the lack of water including one of the farmers who lives near the property and is trucking in water. But water isn't an issue. The Final EIR says if they can't get water they can't start building - period. So why were so many people asking about water? It's literally a non-starter.

See my blog on this meeting. You too cynic. I was up till 4:30 am yesterday morning writing it. Web Link

Roz


Posted by savewindemere, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 2:22 pm

Just a question to the cemetery supporters , please post how far is your home from proposed cemetery even if you are resident of San Ramon , As for Ken Feinstein , his words and views are not just his own they are supported by 4000 homes of Windemere ( which is atleast 5000 living people or more ) , who are just 2300 feet away .

you might have been writing blogs till 4.30 am , we are having sleepless nights thinking about the bad times this cemetery could bring to all of us in various ways .


Posted by Twin Creeks Neighbor, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 3:50 pm

I hope that O'Loane has the same cajones to demand similar review when it comes time to address the absurd HOV Ramps proposed at Norris Canyon or Executive Pkwy. Something tells me that he will waffle on that issue. I guess time will tell????


Posted by standard, a resident of another community
on Jun 26, 2014 at 3:51 pm

The closest house in the Windemere area to what would be the cemetery property is at 3652 Sandalford Way. It is about 2,700 feet away.


Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 4:03 pm

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Standard,

Look at the topographical map I posted with my blog on the workshop. It looks much further away than half a mile. Not only that, the open space in between is hilly. I doubt the cemetery would be within view from Windemere even with binoculars.

Roz


Posted by Windemere Resident, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 26, 2014 at 9:02 pm

The majority of residents closest to the cemetery project are Asian Americans. It is extremely undesirable in our culture to live next to a cemetery. For example, many Chinese people will not buy a home if the number 4 is in the address because 4 sounds similar to death in Chinese. Do you think they will buy a home next to a cemetery? When the cemetery project started many years ago, the population of Dougherty Valley was different. Now with all the additional people moving into this area who are passionately against this cemetery, the elected officials must take our concerns into account. The people most affected by this cemetery should have a voice in what happens to the future of our community. If the true intentions of the cemetery supporters are to drive away the Asian American community in San Ramon and Danville, they will have succeeded by building this cemetery.


Posted by RJ, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 7:04 am

If the choice is between strip malls, outlet stores and housing or a peaceful final resting place, I would vote for a cemetery. Funny how all of these people have arrived in the Windemere area in the last decade and completely decimated the open space and beauty there but now they are crying "foul!" and want development stopped. I have a better idea, leave it wild, natural and undeveloped for everyone to enjoy. Development does not always equal progress.


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 7:20 am

It is PURELY opinion Mr. Feinstein, that the cemetery "affects NEGATIVELY" San Ramon citzens. MANY of us citizens are in support of this idea and further? If size and scope can be somewhat mitigated and water usage? We're even MORE supportive of it. It would be a breath of fresh air to see this go forward unless it can remain agricultural zoning and IT WON'T/IT CAN'T. So? Rather than MORE ugly massive wall-to-wall housing that is a huge eyesore? A cemetery serves a useful "mix" to the valley and an aesthetic relief to, well, what is already there. Geez, it needs SOME improvement. I should think the people in that valley would welcome a break from what is!!!


Posted by Adam Jamison, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 8:14 am

If your non American culture doesn't like nearby cemeteries-move. It's still a free country.


Posted by Ken Feinstein, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 8:16 am

"Ms. Bunny," I am an actual San Ramon resident. If you are an actual San Ramon resident, then I welcome you to come to my neighborhood to discuss these issues with me and my neighbors. I live near Bellingham Square Park. I will bring popsicles for any kids who want to tag along. I'll bring a volleyball too we have a beach volleyball court there.

They are not going to build more housing or a "strip mall" or anything else on that land. It is either a cemetery or NOTHING. Pristine farmland or a graveyard. Those are the only two options. Everyone who is posting knows this, but they are trying to confuse people.






Posted by Windemere Resident, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 8:26 am

Yes, the majority of San Ramon citizens living closest to the proposed cemetery will be "negatively affected." Did you hear anyone at the recent San Ramon Town Hall meeting supporting this cemetery proposal? As Asian Americans, we have a right to voice our opinion to oppose the project for cultural reasons. It is racially insensitive to imply that our opinions don't matter.


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 8:51 am

KF - I've lived in San Ramon 35 years...You're "preachin to the choir"

WR - Again I say, STOP with the "political correctness" of drawing the "race card" here. This is about development, not your culture specifically.


Posted by Windemere Resident, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 9:05 am

It is a race issue when the majority of people closest to the proposed cemetery are Asian Americans and are opposed to the cemetery for cultural reasons.


Posted by Ken Feinstein, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 9:05 am

"Ms. Bunny" if this is about development, then the best option is to stop the cemetery. The only reason they are planning a cemetery there is because they CANNOT develop it for other purposes. The owner of the land had originally hoped to build a housing development there. The cemetery idea came up because the housing development went nowhere.

Read the EIR. Cemeteries are possible on agricultural lands. That is why they came up with the idea of building the cemetery. They had this agricultural land and they aren't farmers and they can't build a gazillion houses. So what can they put there? How about a cemetery!

It has nothing to do with the needs of the community. It's all about getting some land rezoned so it can be resold (or leased out) at a profit.


Posted by Windermere Resident, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 9:54 am

If the cemetery is aesthetics just like Ms Bunny mentioned, the developer of Windermere would be so excited to announce the beauty to new home buyers. But they hided for one decade. I just got the news a few days ago. My whole families got disturbed and are planing to move out.

A little info about me: I live on Longleaf Circle and can clearly see the graveyard when standing on the hill behind my house. I have 7 houses in Bay area. Losing 30% house value of this property is not a big deal to me. But I just can't tolerate the 'beauty' of graveyard near me.


Posted by San Ramon Citizen, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 10:16 am

Hi Longleaf neighbor,

I live on Rosemount, a block away from you. Yes, I can see the 'beauty' as well. But I can't afford to move out as my house is still underwater.

My whole family are SO sad and the graveyard is a big piece of salt adding to our already bleeding hearts. I wanna cry! God, where are you?


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 10:18 am

Laughing out loud here...I hope the cemetery goes ahead IF the land can't be kept AG zoning. All this "doom and gloom" is utterly silly beyond words...Stop making this a racist issue once again I say; rather, one of development, hopefully mitigated to some degree prior to the start of construction.

Ya wanna move people over this? Then BE OUR GUEST(S) (-San Ramon is already crowded by this valley, no problem for me!)


Posted by Windemere Resident, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 10:42 am

To those living closest to the proposed cemetery, it is no laughing matter. Again, it is racially insensitive to laugh at other cultures' beliefs about cemeteries.


Posted by JT, a resident of Danville
on Jun 27, 2014 at 11:07 am

It is curious to me why someone not affiliated with the developer or directly making money in some capacity off of this cemetery would support this project. Maybe they have a cemetery hobby and want it closer to stroll amongst the dead. Maybe they can't figure out there are plenty of close cemetery plots nearby. Maybe they just think cemeteries are more beautiful than the surrounding land.
The typical strategy of developers like this is to make any kind of proposal that is feasible within the constraints of county/city zoning. Then put a value on the property based on their absurd proposals and then they drive up the value of the land if an outsider wants to buy it for preservation.
So far the cemetery proposal exactly fits this scenario. Do you think for one minute that the developer asked locals for support, like the neighbors. Did the developer put together a pro forma business plan that shows to investors that this is needed in the valley. No to both.

What I really would like to do is buy the houses next door to Ms Bunny and put a cemetery right next to her. Based on a lot size of a 1/8th acre we can bury approximately 200 toxic flormaldahide decaying human bodies with headstones littering the view out her windows.

From Forbes: "Burial and cremation are the most common ways we dispose of the dead, but while these methods are steeped in tradition, they're far from environmentally friendly. Embalming bodies requires cancer-causing chemicals like formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde and phenol — in fact, every year in the U.S. we bury 827,060 gallons of embalming fluid. Plus, caskets are often made from mined metals, toxic plastic or endangered wood. U.S. cemeteries use 30 million board feet of hardwoods, 180,544,000 pounds of steal and 5,400,000 pounds of copper and bronze annually. Casket burials also prevent a corpse from decomposing efficiently, and this slow rotting process favors sulfur-loving bacteria, which can harm nearby water sources.


Posted by Windermere Resident, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 11:42 am

Ms. Bunny: thank you so much for "Laughing at me". If my decision of moving out makes you so happy, I'll stay here, fight and get the nuisance out of my way.

I'll go out and distribute the cemetery fliers to residents and make them aware of that Cemetery can harm water sources.




Posted by San Ramon Citizen, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 11:44 am

Hi Longleaf neighbor, pass me some filers and my whole families will go out this weekends to help. Thanks!


Posted by FamilyLiveNearBy, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 3:02 pm

Just as your American culture people can voice against a Walmart built nearby for many reasons, what's wrong with people feel against a UNNECESSARY GIANT cemetery near their homes?
If you don't live within a couple of miles distance, then don't pretend to be a SAINT, by all means it's easy for you to say a peaceful , memorable place for loving families is welcome. I don't think family will visit you every day after you die anyway, so the existing cemeteries should be able to fulfill all the needs for the tri-valley families even they drive a few miles further.


Posted by Bob P, a resident of another community
on Jun 27, 2014 at 3:57 pm

When development is concerned, everyone almost always get less than they want, but they never get nothing. Eventually something will be built there, regardless of those who are of the opinion that development is never going to happen. Spheres of influence, Urban Growth Boundaries change, politicians retire or get voted out. Forever is a very very long time.

Thinking big picture, long term, a cemetery might not be a bad idea.


Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 4:28 pm

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I've ridiculed some of the objections to the cemetery. If that was being racially insensitive, I apologise. However everyone living in Dougherty Valley has my neighbor to thank for your homes. I do not thank anyone from there for what you brought here. Bob P. knows what I'm talking about.

Roz


Posted by Dave, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 4:35 pm

I too am tired of this being made about race/culture.


Posted by LBV, a resident of Danville
on Jun 27, 2014 at 7:05 pm

"A wise man gets more use from his enemies than a fool from his friends", so thank you Ms. Bunny for further energizing and motivating the hundreds of us (the majority) against the approval of the Special Use Permit by the CC County Supervisors for this massive urban monstrosity. You are a true inspiration!!! And, readers, it would not surprise me in the least if Ms. Bunny is related in some way to Sid Corrie, the developer. Hmmm....


Posted by Windemere resident, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 7:17 pm

LBV: totally agree with you. I was planning to move to other house. But Ms. Bunny's 'Laughing out loud here' really irritated me. I will stay, donate a few thousands if the account for donation is opened and get the graveyard out of my view.


Posted by Norm L, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 27, 2014 at 8:22 pm

Expect Ms Bunny to lash out some harsh words in reply. She always loves to have the last word.


Posted by LBV, a resident of Danville
on Jun 27, 2014 at 10:38 pm

The current San Ramon Mayor (Bill Clarkson) and Vice Mayor (Phil O'Loane) claim this cemetery project is "not our project", but why then did O'Loane voice official verbal support in a San Ramon City Council Meeting and why then did the San Ramon City Council members pass an official City Council Resolution supporting it (see below)? True, they do not have a direct vote on it, the Contra Costa County Board Supervisors do, but the City of San Ramon's ELECTED government has been supporting this from Day One and they DO admit it is IN their "sphere of influence". Need proof? Here it is:

On April 10, 2012, then City Council Member Phil O'Loane (now Vice Mayor) expressed his support in the Creekside Memorial Park, "a cemetery project". See San Ramon City Council Meeting Minutes:

Web Link

Here is Vice Mayor Phil O'Loane speaking at the recent San Ramon Study Session on 6/24/14:

Web Link

He says (as dictated from the posted video above: "Echo a couple if Bill's comments. (Bill Clarkson, Mayor of San Ramon.) If you're angry about this project or what have you, don't be mad at Bill, this is not our project. This is not a project that San Ramon has voting authority over. It's important to understand. It's somewhat akin to, not quite, but somewhat akin to something happening from a jurisdictional standpoint in Nevada when you live in California. It's not quite like that, but we are neighbors to this project and it is in what's called our sphere of influence, which is a city term, which basically means…" (Video cuts off.)

O'Loane is, in my opinion twisting the truth around quite a bit in true political fashion, since he supports it and San Ramon officials DO have influence on this. It is hardly a comparison of things going on in Nevada that are not related to things going on in California. Give me a break!

Former San Ramon Mayor Abram Wilson (2002, 2003-2011) adamantly supported the cemetery and I have heard rumors that he is interested in managing it:

Web Link

The City Council of San Ramon Cemetery Resolution:
In San Ramon, the City Council passed a resolution "supporting efforts to develop a new cemetery in the Tassajara Valley (Creekside Memorial Park) to serve the Tri-Valley (Resolution 2005-81, June 14, 2005).

Looks like San Ramon needs to elect new government officials or start some litigation against them for not supporting the desires of their constituents. The Town Council of Danville also passed a resolution supporting the cemetery (Resolution 49-2005, May 17, 2005).


Posted by Bob P, a resident of another community
on Jun 28, 2014 at 6:04 am

Ok Phil, please clear up this apparent contradiction.

"Tearing down open space to give dead people a view makes absolutely no sense to me; this never struck me as a particularly good idea," Phil O'Loane

Cm. Hudson stated his support for the cemetery project. Cm. O'Loane agreed and indicated that a cemetery on agricultural land is a permitted use.
April 10 2012 City Council Meeting Minutes.

Apparently it "struck" you as a good idea back in 2012.


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 28, 2014 at 8:52 am

Unlike the ultra sensitive WR or the righteous indignant LBV? I truly believe hysteria is setting in where reason is seriously needed. The thin-skin of you two is sad beyond words...I've seen it all in this valley for 35 years. I've also been an integral part of land use/architecture and construction for most of that time in the workplace. There is much to be understood about everyone working together for the common good (something you don't seem to "get" obviously) You can HOPE the land remains AG zoned LBV, which is unrealistic on your part IF you know anything about an owner's right(s) or development. Or you can choose to take this development as a personal affront to your sensibilities WR, as you are doing. Your choice(s) Both serve no useful purpose except to fuel your personal upset. Are less than constructive or truly? -As well meaning as you seem to believe. This is about quality of life and aesthetics TO ME. I just can't, in good faith, agree with either of you "wild hair" thinkers on this matter (heading shaking - eye roll) I will CONTINUE to support both ideas but want no part of unrealistic/crazy beliefs such as you both demonstrate here.


Posted by Windemere Resident, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 29, 2014 at 5:25 am

If having a cemetery next to your neighborhood was something we all welcomed, then the city of San Ramon and Danville and all of the developers would openly advertise this "wonderful" addition to the neighborhood. Did this happen? Did Mayor Abrams, Sid Corrie, and all the Gale Ranch, Windemere and Alamo Creek developers openly advertise this bit of news to prospective homebuyers in Dougherty Valley and East Danville? Now that we all bought into this beautiful neighborhood, the ugly truth comes out. Those of us who will be directly affected by this monster cemetery next to our homes will fight for our families and the communities that we love. We will not let all of you who resent us for being here drive us away with this unwanted and unnecessary cemetery. As many have already mentioned, there is enough capacity in the cemeteries in the surrounding areas to sustain the needs of the foreseeable future.


Posted by Ms. Wolf, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 29, 2014 at 9:04 am

Yes. We'll stand up and fight. If needed, let's do some advertisement on TV and newspapers to make everyone aware this 'beauty'. I can donate $10,000 and my next door neighbor said she can donate $5000.0.

The cemetery is just a hill away from us. Thinking of ~1000 new dead every year join our neighborhood, I cannot sleep.


Posted by John M, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 29, 2014 at 10:08 am

A cemetery is not a welcome sight at all. It's spooky thinking about it. Many existing homeowners do not want this. We will fight it all the way.


Posted by Lee, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 29, 2014 at 12:07 pm

The one thing I'm afraid of is that builder comprises and gives the neighbors right next to the lot some money and build a little smaller cemetery.




Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 29, 2014 at 1:07 pm

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Lee,

That's a very good idea. Most of the neighbors in Tassajara Valley are willing to accept a smaller cemetery. If paying off the neighbors and downsizing the cemetery would result in a more reasonable size, that would be a good compromise.

By the way another cemetery was also planned in Tassajara Valley for the New Farm development. That plan was to build 187 houses on 5 acre lots with an olive grove and a small cemetery in the middle of it. There was supposed to be a ten unit apartment building just outside Danville to house the farm workers.

Here's a link showing where it would have been on the map. Web Link This article doesn't say anything about the cemetery because most people opposed to development in Tassajara Valley at that time wouldn't have objected to a cemetery.

New Farm has been revised to Tassajara Parks. The southern parcel would be sold to East Bay Regional Parks District for a park. Wow that's a big open space park with no proposed cemetery. Web Link

The northern portion would be more like Alamo Creek, with 152 homes on 30 acres. Thirty acres is the magic number for building outside Contra Costa County's Urban Limit Line. This plan has something for everyone. "In addition to this residential component the Project would entail the creation of a trail, two staging areas and a detention basin. The remainder of the Northern Site, approximately 115 acres, would be dedicated as Open Space."

Back when New Farm was first proposed I contacted Danville's Planning Department and they told me they had no objections to it. This version provides much more open space, no cemetery, and no farm workers.

Roz


Posted by Lee, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 29, 2014 at 1:54 pm

Roz, no, most neighbors in Windermere DO NOT accept cemetery in the neighborhood.


Posted by Marcus, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 29, 2014 at 1:59 pm

The people didn't buy homes to get a cemetery put in close by afterwards. Look at other alternative locations.


Posted by Lee, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 29, 2014 at 4:21 pm

We need a leader to lead us to stop the cemetery. If we compromise and allow a small cemetery built here now, later, the greedy developer will find ways to enlarge it.

Many residents in Windermere are lawyers , doctors and engineers. A few thousands donation should not a problem. Can anyone stand up and be the leader? I'll follow.


Posted by Todd, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 30, 2014 at 6:24 am

People of Windemere, welcome to the NIMBY crowd. (not in my backyard)
Wishing you well on this, whatever the outcome.
As for those who feel they are being persecuted for their race, I think that San Ramon has done a lot to reach out to the Asian culture, including an Asian specific Farmers Market and the school district has made a Chinese immersion classroom at Quail Run for students. Those seem like pretty welcoming gestures to me.


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 30, 2014 at 8:51 am

Well it's pretty clear by this time, the crux of the issue is the Asian population's objections primarily fueling this debate. I would remind them they live in a C O M M U N I T Y with O T H E R people of O T H E R cultures who DON'T share their POV.

This project WILL go forward. No doubt here. The fact several issues could use some mitigation? Is NOT uncommon whatsoever in the history of development in our city of San Ramon (or many others). The NIMBY attitude really is "alive and well" on this issue. Sad, but true. Our neighborhood had a far more SERIOIUS issue present itself some years ago in San Ramon. None of us wanted it but most of us knew it was going ahead in some manner of speaking and indeed? It did. While it presents a potential hazard to this day? The cemetery DOES NOT. Only those with the "willies" and those who simply can't "sleep" next to the "1,000 dead" and buried. REALLY?! NO comparison whatsoever. The fact this development was "marketed" as a positive addition is trite. What city DOESN'T handle new development in this manner? I suggest some get a grip on reality here and further? Stay tuned because there is, more to come.

This cemetery is welcome relief to the crowded "view" of the Dougherty valley area. Truly? A breath of fresh air...I will "sleep like a baby" knowing it's home to dearly departed people who should be remember, not vilified in death.


Posted by horse breeder, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 30, 2014 at 8:56 am

I live in the Tassajara Valley and contrary to one person who posted, it is beautiful here. To the point, each basic burial plot will run $10,000. This proposed cemetery is located outside the Urban Limit line which San Ramon voted to uphold. And please, before you comment here, really research why this cemetery process came about and try to keep an open mind. Understand the facts before you make a decision.


Posted by bunniesarecrazy, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 30, 2014 at 3:07 pm

Ms Bunny ,since you so much want this cemetery to come up I am sure you also dream to be the first one to lay there , that big trophy may be all yours but I would hate to live near by ...


Posted by MK, a resident of San Ramon
on Jun 30, 2014 at 9:04 pm

Sounds like we have lobbyist for the project on this thread playing it up. Thread getting really nasty.Hope the land owner is a good community person that is smart enough to listen be a good citizen and work out a deal.


Posted by JT, a resident of Danville
on Jul 1, 2014 at 9:30 am

Anyone with a brain the size of a bunny rabbit knows this project will not go forward, even if it is smaller. Doctor to waiting patient... Good news sir/maam, we found cancer but it is a smaller one, so that should be OK.

NIMBY's are to be celebrated. It means that the masses have woken up to the massive, selfish, greedy exploitation around them that will negatively affect their lives. On the other hand, we have the rabbit brained private property right extremists, whose every political opinion is framed and formed through a green lense... meaning green for money.

Here is how that mantra goes... "I have the right to make money off my land, even if that means putting in a cemetery that is not needed and is opposed by the local population." Welcome to the new propertialiban!


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 1, 2014 at 9:45 am

Oh grow up JT and become a REAL adult instead of a "potshot" juvenile like Norm and pseudo-bac (sigh)who have less than a "leg to stand on". Such a bore when you and the emotionally charged can't objectively take a stance and speak in adult terms.

This project in one form or another? Will go through.

Get a grip man. Not the end of the world. Stop the proverbial whine.

Geez.

PS 'Enough "carrot dangling" for you guy? (lol)


Posted by LBV, a resident of Danville
on Jul 1, 2014 at 6:27 pm

Whenever Ms. Bunny responds now I can only read, "Blah, blah, blah, blah." We will not become Colma, CA where the dead people outnumber the living. We spent tons of money to live in this upscale community because of its surrounding beauty. excellent schools, etc. There is no "whining", it's called an organized grassroots movement. We have hundreds and hundreds of legs to stand on now, as we are backed by many that will go to extreme lengths to stop this from happening.


Posted by Vidya, a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 2, 2014 at 3:08 am

A cemetery is a bad idea all around no matter which way you look at it. First and foremost objections of the residents, which will start the bad domino effect of people of selling short to move away ASAP, resulting in diminishing neighborhood property value. So even if you don't have personal objections to the cemetery, if you live here you should worry about the falling property value even if neighbors feelings be damned. If the cemetery becomes a reality, then a beautiful, vibrant San Ramon will become a quiet land of the dead and cheap. This is not the kind of silence that brings peace usually.


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 2, 2014 at 7:35 am

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrre it won't LBV (lol)

Clearly you and others are full of fear, dread and superstition that seriously OVERRIDES your commonsense and reason.

Goodluck! (-and I do mean that most facetiously)


Posted by JT, a resident of Danville
on Jul 2, 2014 at 8:32 am

Oh grow up "Ms bunnie" and become a REAL adult rabbit instead of a "potshot" juvenile like yourself and pseudo-bac (sigh)who have less than a "four legs to hop on". Such a bore when you and the emotionally charged and financially bought off can't objectively take a stance and speak in adult terms.

From Ms bunnie "This project in one form or another? Will go through." Read this to say, I want this project to go through because I make money off of it that I am not willing to disclose.

Get a grip bunnie. Not the end of the world. (for me to make money off this project, I prefer that you all obediently and quietly stop your opposition to this "beautiful cemetery") Stop the proverbial whine.

Geez. and hippity hop hop...

PS 'Enough "carrot dangling" for you guy? (lol) The only carrot being dangled is the one that the property owners are holding out in front of the folks that stand to make money.


Posted by San Ramon Observer, a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 2, 2014 at 6:06 pm

San Ramon Observer is a registered user.

JT,

I resent your labeling anyone who isn't against the cemetery as somehow making money off of it. I'm not making any money from the cemetery other than the $50 I get paid for writing my blog. I'm not even making any money from all of my answers to you.

I doubt Ms. Bunny is making any money off of it unless she's being paid off by all the bunnies out there who would prefer a cemetery to hop around on instead of more housing.

Roz


Posted by Derek, a resident of Danville
on Jul 2, 2014 at 7:02 pm

Who would have thought
That so many posts
Could really be generated
By just 600 ghosts
Sit back, relax,
Take glass for a toast
Here comes Miss Bunny
With fresh broiled roast
It all could be different,
It all could be worse
We could have Mayor Clarkson
Hold forth from his hearse


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 2, 2014 at 8:59 pm

Love it Derek, not great, but not bad! LOL!

Cheers and a Happy 4th to all!

PS Oh yeah Roz, I'm making a "bundle" off Creekside Memorial Park - let us all call it what? IT WILL BE CALLED!


Posted by LBV, a resident of Danville
on Jul 2, 2014 at 11:22 pm

Derek, The poem should actually read 140,000 ghosts, not 600. That's how many ghosts we will have roaming around just a few miles down from the Blackhawk East Gate if this development is OK'd with a Special Land Use permit by the Contra Costa County Supervisors. And the bunny won't need a name for that bundle because he/she will DEFINITELY not end up with a bag of money, but will just have a big bag of bunny poop!


Posted by SB, a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 3, 2014 at 2:21 am

Ignore the deranged Bunny, or whatever it is, for sure all screws came off.


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 3, 2014 at 7:34 am

Too funny. Y'all are afraid of your own shadows, yet alone the ghosts of Dougherty valley past and future...There must be a whole lotta guilt in one manner of speaking or another goin on in your lives to feel this way. I can only imagine the number of Native American souls ALREADY buried deep within the grounds of Dougherty valley...Those who passed there before you and made it their home. That reeks of disrespect that you're ALREADY living on top of them, does it not? Or would you prefer simply not to think about that? What a sad commentary on your fears beyond reason if not commonsense.

Once again? Happy 4th - In memory of all those who have gone before us. NOT to be feared, BUT HONORED in death...Buried or otherwise!


Posted by Dan Villa, a resident of Danville
on Jul 3, 2014 at 8:11 am

Will someone ... anyone who knows her please clue that furry little creature that she's embarrassing herself? She seems to be having a wonderful time, oblivious to her buffoonery. Her posts remind me of a drunk at a party who thinks he can dance.


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 3, 2014 at 9:08 am

I am simply giving reply in like kind Dan (or could it be? Mr. Bah Humbug?) No need to get your "knickers in a twist" (you have in other postings) Let's present BOTH sides a tad bit more fairly if not objectively and? With humor, shall we?!


Posted by Dan Villa, a resident of Danville
on Jul 3, 2014 at 9:18 am

A dancing drunkard also thinks he's hilarious.


Posted by Ms. bunny, a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 3, 2014 at 9:34 am

You must know ALOT about "drunkards". I'd love to continue this "tit for tat" Danny boy, but I have guests coming in a few hours and I think it's time this string be buried with the "dead".

Cheers and Happy 4th!


Posted by TJ, a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 3, 2014 at 10:38 am

On behalf of the thread, I would like to thank your guests.


Posted by JT, a resident of Danville
on Jul 3, 2014 at 11:57 am

First, this forum, as I will be the first to admit, allows anonymous posting, so it is easy to be on the righteous side of civility. That said, the basic arguments here still stand.

For me, what gets a response is when people proclaim property rights, like it is a fact of civil life. It's not. If I owned a home right next to Ms bunnie, she would be outraged if I opened up my back yard and started burying dead people. So maybe the ones that sit forward and slam the table and proclaim property rights can make a better argument. Since when does property have a right?

What gets a response is when property owners behave with complete disregard to their neighbors. In this case, even relatively (2 to 3 miles) distant neighbors are turned off by the prospect of a mega cemetery on fairly pristine land. With dead people buried in caskets with headstones, there is not a chance in this version of civil world that this area would ever be used for agriculture again. It is on a "future usage" par with a toxic waste disposal or a radioactive nuclear site.

It is clearly thought by many that the main reason for the cemetery proposal is because it is an approved use outside the voter approved Urban Limit Line. It is an area zoned agricultural, not bury-cultural.

And with respect to the NIMBY card being played... perhaps that is a bit inflammatory as well. Where does it say that new arrivals can't be advocates. As I said, the NIMBY card is played by those that want to trivialize advocates in new areas. I am delighted when new locals wake up to the reality of the exploitation going on around them. When somebody plays the NIMBY card, I'll play the more compelling BIMBY card... Because It's My Back Yard!!! I mean really, what sane person whose "backyard" is in San Jose or Iowa is taking a stand on the proposed cemetery.

The voters approved an Urban Limit Line. The voters are saying that we value our open spaces and agricultural land. The voters are saying that it is important to stop leapfrog development. Take a look around you. Marvel at the ridge lines and mountains that have a minimum of development on them. And thank your predecessors, NIMBY's and BIMBY's, those bird and fish lovers, those outdoor recreationalists, the John Muirs and Rachel Carson's, the Save-the-Bay advocates, who have stood up and said enough is enough. And most locally, thank the East Bay Regional Park District and Save Mount Diablo, whose continued efforts for the last decades have resulted in countless acres of preservation that most on this thread have a reason to be thankful for.


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