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Alamo MAC discussion continues

Original post made on Jun 17, 2009

Establishing a Municipal Advisory Committee (MAC) was the main focus of the June 11 meeting of the Alamo Community Council. More than 40 residents attended the meeting to find out more about MACs and to learn the overall plan of District 3 Supervisor Mary Piepho.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 5:41 PM

Comments (16)

Posted by Halamo, a resident of another community
on Jun 17, 2009 at 7:17 am

Dear Dolores,

With such excellent confirmation from Geoff's reporting, the Alamo Towne Fool is turning its attention to forming a monarchy rather than disquising it as a MAC!


Hal, as Halamo
The Alamo Towne Fool
@ODDs, a Saloon for Fools
The Hotel Snaymuth
2625 Crescent Moon Lane
West Willimantic CA 94507-1078

Posted by Rick, a resident of Danville
on Jun 17, 2009 at 11:14 am

A lot of people are keeping a close eye on these MACs.

Posted by Community courtesy, a resident of another community
on Jun 17, 2009 at 8:45 pm

Dear Dolores,

Beyond the correction of the date, June 11, 2009, for the district 3 ACC meeting, there has been many comments posted to local e-exchanges about the dominant attitude of the district 3 chief of staff. In several specific comments, district 3 is recognized as dictatorial in development of a 94507 Alamo CA MAC and as a result most attendees are joining neighborhoods in referring any MAC relationship to regional counsel.

A MAC is now an idea that is dead before it begins among the majority in our region. Quite logically, neighborhoods do not wish a relationship with district 3 and shall not have a relationship with a surrogate volunteer agency established by district 3.

To quote many neighbors, "Why are they bothering?"

Hal, as a community courtesy

Posted by Informed Resident, a resident of another community
on Jun 18, 2009 at 11:17 am

Any chance of sharing those comments? Besides the "Why are they bothering" one that makes little sense.

I am thinking that since the Supervisors are charged with creating MAC's, it is easy to jump to conclusions regarding how they are formed. I would be interested to learn more about how one would be considered "Dead on arrival" since it is not the community that creates a MAC.

I think it would be perceived as an opportunity and personally find it interesting that you apparently already have your mind made up about its function. Am I missing something?

The entire commentary regarding this issue comes across as very pompous.

Posted by Roy, a resident of Alamo
on Jun 18, 2009 at 2:24 pm

I'll share my comment. A MAC might be an opportunity if it were set up to strengthen the power and influence of Alamo's residents and businesses. But the way this county sets up MACs is to further what the Board of Supervisors wants. Everything about how this Alamo MAC is being pushed is about what the Supervisor wants, not what her constituants want.

Posted by Informed Resident, a resident of another community
on Jun 18, 2009 at 6:23 pm


I think you should entertain the reality of why MAC's are created. They are not specifically set up to strengthen the power of residents or businesses. Moreover, they are not intended to create an independent group or government and that is no secret.

This is straight State of California Government Code administered locally by the Board of Supervisors.

Municipal advisory councils are created specifically to serve the board of Supervisors and in turn then provide a benefit to the community. It is an instrument of the Supervisor-not vice versa. No argument will change that.

Make no mistake, until Alamo becomes a city it will be represented by the County, because it IS the county. All the chatter, blogs and opinion in the world will not change that.

The County Supervisor is the elected representative. Pretty simple actually. I hope this helped clarify.

Posted by Roy, a resident of Alamo
on Jun 18, 2009 at 7:11 pm

I think you have it backwards. The Board of Supervisors is supposed to be serving its constituants and their interests, not the other way around.

Posted by Halamo, a resident of another community
on Jun 18, 2009 at 7:35 pm

Dear Dolores, does Roy leave any doubt about neighbors' perspective?

It is an insane concept that supervivors, that by law, represent and do not lead us, have the autocratic opportunity to designate our council and its functions.

Not ever!!

Hal, as Halamo
Possibly that is not as funny as the Alamo Towne Fool.

Posted by Informed Resident, a resident of another community
on Jun 18, 2009 at 10:33 pm


I appreciate reading your perspective. However it remains at the root of the problem; a lack of understanding of how local government operates.

You have it right when you say the Board of Supervisors is supposed to serve its constituents. Where you derail is how that is best accomplished and what is provided for.

Specifically this has to do with the responsibility and empowerment that is bestowed on individuals that are elected to represent the people they serve. I am under the democratic belief that be it a Supervisor, Congressman, Senator, etc., each earns the elected privilege to make decisions. In this case; the very decisions which will best aid them in carrying out their responsibilities. Thier selection and decisions are entirely up to them and "guided" by input. Not demanded by it.

If Alamo had become a city then much of that oversight would have been removed and transferred to a city council. However that was not to be the case, as determined by a vote of the people.

Due to a few former Supervisors "looking the other way" and skirting certain responsibilities, some in Alamo aquired a false sense of entitlement. Certainly the AIA did for years, but it appears the county is now correcting the neglect.

Therefore Alamo is getting a higher level of service and the attention it deserves.


Dearest Hal,

You are now calling the law insane? Once again you prove my point better than I ever could. Maybe you should seek elected office. If you prevailed you could change what you perceive to be "insane".

Posted by Roy, a resident of Alamo
on Jun 18, 2009 at 11:37 pm

Far be it for the serfs to get too uppity and feel entitled. The idea that a few former Supervisors "neglectfully" created a problem by not keeping Alamo in line and showing us who's boss and that the current Supervisor is "correcting the neglect" is positively Orwellian.

Posted by Hal, as Gabby Hayes, a resident of another community
on Jun 19, 2009 at 7:15 am

Dear Dolores,

I wish to appreciate Roy's commentary by repeating the famous Gabby Hayes line, "Atta way, Roy!!" In a government where ultimate power lies with the people, no definition of such power transfer to our elected representatives can be considered Democracy. Our representatives are only representative of our will and interests and act in accordance with our direction or we shall recall or replace them.

No condescending arrogance should lecture our region on our reality in government. If district 3 wishes to be out-of-step with our leadership, they will be ignored and circumvented using the wealth, power and counsel of our region. If a MAC is established by district 3 to achieve the same repressive leadership, it truly will be the Maytag repairmen of Alamo Council (94507 Alamo CA MAC), the LONELIEST people in town!!.

Hal, in a gabby HAZE (smile)

Posted by Informed Resident, a resident of another community
on Jun 23, 2009 at 1:17 pm

Roy, call it whatever you want but the past history is out there, often discussed and most outside the hamlet agree. Denying the reality of the former lack of oversight gets you nowhere fast. As for the rest of the comments eg; uppity and entitled, this is exactly what continues to divide Alamo amongst itself, which is a shame.

Ultimate power does lie within the people, which is why elections are held. You just don't like the results and desire a government that serves you individually. Politicians have to serve all their constituents and since opinions vary from one end of the spectrum to the other. The conditions you expect exist nowhere. Democracy is listening to the minority but acting on belhalf of the majority. Unfortunately that dooms you to your frustration. If you question this, simply review your own posts.

It doesn't matter who "rules", you will never be happy. Your frustration is always apparent but no better demonstrated than in your last set of comments. You have my condolences.

Posted by Halamo, a resident of another community
on Jun 23, 2009 at 3:24 pm

Dear Dolores,

Is a Condolence a brand of piano or is it one of those Italian boats that we could use if we converted all the roads in Alamo to canals.

And I need to ask, am I getting a piano and a gondola? Can I have an additional set for Roy? And do we have to declare them as political gifts?

Blissful and wise,

Hal, as Halamo
The Alamo Towne Fool
@ODDs, a Saloon for Fools
The Hotel Snaysmuth
2625 Crescent Moon Lane
Alamorata, "living with our mistakes" CA 94507-1078

Posted by Informed Resident, a resident of another community
on Jun 23, 2009 at 4:20 pm

The education is free. What you do with it is up to you.

Blissful? Maybe. Wise? Not so much.

Posted by Halamo, a resident of another community
on Jun 23, 2009 at 5:53 pm

Dear Dolores,

This is your forum and it seems you are being called HAL in some postings. I actually wonder if you might not be better at being HAL than I am. After all, I made up the name and now you are recognized as HAL.

I actually like Dolores better, it so suits you and your humanity. May I be Dolores too? or Dolores II?

It only seems fair, now doesn't it. But I could imagine you would appreciate content and not contempt on the subject of how appropriate a MAC is for Alamo and what form it should take to engage participation by a majority of residents.

Oh, what the HAL, there is always apathy or subservience as an option!!

Your friend,

Hal, as Dolores II

Posted by Informed Resident, a resident of another community
on Jun 25, 2009 at 1:38 am


You definitely drove that one off a cliff!

Nice driving Hal!

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