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Alamo MAC to be decided Tuesday

Original post made on Aug 9, 2009

The future of Alamo will be a topic of discussion at this Tuesday's meeting of the Contra Costa county Board of Supervisors. Members will be considering a resolution put forth by District 3 Supervisor Mary N. Piepho calling for the establishment of a Municipal Advisory Council (MAC) for Alamo.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, August 7, 2009, 9:51 PM

Comments (51)

Posted by Rick, a resident of Danville
on Aug 9, 2009 at 12:06 pm

Just remember, we the people have the power. If anyone tries to screw up our communities, tear them down


Posted by Paul, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 9, 2009 at 12:35 pm

Yes, and I would add that if the benefits of a "MAC" cannot be clearly articulated, then why should we have one? I've been a resident of Alamo for four decades, and we seem to have gotten by without a so-called "MAC" and incorporation up to now. Do we really need more or different bureaucracy?

I say let the bureaucrats who are proponents of these measures get real jobs in the public-sector, and help the economy by producing profits instead of marking time in sinecures until they are able to start collecting their generous pensions.


Posted by Askidoo, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 9, 2009 at 7:36 pm

Supervisor Piepho, the proponent of the MAC since she came into office in 2004, wants this for Alamo. She like Warren Rupf the Contra Costa Sheriff know the county is broke and with incorporation voted down a MAC is the option left (Rupf speech of 7/16/09 titled: Contra Costa County: Not just Broke but Broken. Where Do We Go From Here?). All who understood governance knew this would happen for Alamo- like it or not you voted the county to be in charge.

As to Paul saying Alamo has got by without bureaucracy is just his lack of awareness and his lack of knowledge of local governance. You already had County government, there were already decisions being made and money misspent from your tax dollars. Yes, Alamo needed to change as county bungling and bad decisions over years resulted in Alamo losing many issues - it is/was broken that is why incorporation surfaced in the first place.

Aware or not you voted for county/supervisor decisions to continue even though those decisions were not liked by Alamo citizens. You voted in the mind of the County and Supervisor to have a MAC.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 pm

Thank you for the thoughtful response, Askidoo. I will continue looking into this with an open mind, although at present I do not agree with you. I am willing to have my mind changed, however...


Posted by Rick, a resident of Danville
on Aug 9, 2009 at 10:36 pm

The politicians do everything to pull the wool over our eyes and you blame us askidoo? Up yours pal. Down with incorporation or any other tact to destroy our towns


Posted by Alamo Ron, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 9, 2009 at 11:19 pm

What folks need to realize is that the "politicians" can do whatever they want whenever there is a vacuum in representation and leadership. Mary Piepho deserves our thanks for REMOVING the vacuum in Alamo and creating a municipal advisory council.

It's not as good as having an incorporated town, but at least it is an attempt to bring formal communication paths to the Alamo table which do not now exist.

If "they" really wanted to shaft us, "they" wouldn't bother with such matters.


Posted by Guy Sallen, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 10, 2009 at 6:21 am

Alamo - grow up. You seem to want the rest of us on Contra Costa county to subsidize your police, pay extra special attention to your streets, yet refuse to take responsibiilty for any of it. You want all the 'goodies' without any of the tax burden or responsilbities. Your cry-baby attitude has worn thin on your neighbors.

When will the grown ups take charge in your little part of this big county?


Posted by Alamo Ron, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 10, 2009 at 8:49 am

Dear Rick,

What prevents the county from taking what it wants now? Alamo is county land after all.


Posted by Geoff Gillette, Danville Weekly reporter
on Aug 10, 2009 at 9:53 am

Geoff Gillette is a registered user.

This is a comment for all posters to Town Square but I am addressing Rick in particular.

We provide this forum as a means for a respectful dialogue where people may discuss the issues facing our communities. Those who choose to disregard our request for civil discourse will be asked not to post any longer. We do not like to limit people's access to the forums, however postings that are libelous, disrespectful or "hate speech" are violations of our Terms of Use and will not be tolerated.


Posted by Roy, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 10, 2009 at 11:57 am

I agree with Askidoo's assessment, except that I doubt that County and the Supervisor actually believe that Alamo's defeat of incorporation was a vote in favor of a MAC. That's just how they spin it to help rationalize a MAC. I don't know about any vacuums in Alamo that need removing. The County hasn't been able to control unincorporated San Ramon Valley, and Alamo in particular, to the extent they would like and I think they're trying to change that. I see this MAC and the elimination of other governance bodies that have served us well over the years as a move by the County and the Supervisor primarily to increase their political control, not to further local desires. I agree with Alamo Ron that incorporation would have been much better that what's happening now with this MAC, elimination of the local planning commission, etc., but I disagree that what is happening now is better than what we have had all along.

As far as the rest of the County subsidizing Alamo services, the opposite is true. The LAFCO financial study for the Alamo incorporation clearly established that the County receives more from Alamo in taxes than Alamo receives in services. I do agree that Alamo needs to take some responsibility for itself and stop expecting that its wishes are going to be magically provided by others.


Posted by Alamo Ron, a resident of Danville
on Aug 10, 2009 at 12:45 pm

The point I have been trying to make is that "they" are not trying to increase their political control. THEY ALREADY HAVE IT!!!

To make the point further, Alamo is already county land and is under the jurisdiction of the Board of Supes.


(All I hear is empty echoes out there in digital land...)


Posted by Rick, a resident of Danville
on Aug 10, 2009 at 1:08 pm

How dare u accuse me of hate speech when I've not seen u once check liberals who have said the most racist and disgusting things. I've read the most vile comments on this blog from my opponents. I've seen people write that theyfeel no sympathy for Rylan Fuchs or his family. I've seen countless anti-white rhetoric, such as whites are naive and want to live in a bubble. But I as a white man can't tell the truth of why certain areas in this county are crapholes overwhelmed with crime. What u call hate speech I call the truth. And if anyone wants to disagree with me and use the same type of comments, feel free. Real men don't whine about how someone sounds. U either agree or disagree and u come back with equal venom if u so desire. Instead u fascist libs just command people like me not to say what we feel to be true


Posted by Geoff Gillette, Danville Weekly reporter
on Aug 10, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Geoff Gillette is a registered user.

Rick,
No one is telling you that you can not post. We are simply asking you to adhere to certain codes of conduct as prescribed by the Terms of Use. If you want to indulge in whatever form of speech you want on your own blog, or in the privacy of your home, feel free. However, if you intend to be a part of this blog community, we will ask that you follow our guidelines.

You encourage others to speak back with "equal venom". That's exactly what we want to avoid. Too much of what is posted on here becomes about character and not enough about issues. Disagree all you want, but do so without libeling others or engaging in the type of hate speech that is not allowed under our rules.

As for your assertions of anti-white bias. I have read a number of the posts regarding Rylan Fuchs, and no one has said anything indicating a lack of sympathy. I've also not ready any statement made that was specifically anti-white. Most bubble comments I read had to do with Danville in general, which has a mixed population. Predominantly white, yes, but not a white only town.

Our other option would be to require users to log-in prior to being able to post, a condition which most people would choose to avoid as it takes away the anonymity and the ease of posting which this board currently allows.

Once again, we are not telling anyone that they may not post. We are simply asking that people maintain a level of decorum when doing so.


Posted by Roy, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 10, 2009 at 1:44 pm

Political control is more than just legal jurisdiction. It's controlling what information is made available, controlling who gets to recommend and controlling how the input and recommendations are "translated" into the public record and media. The County hasn't had that in Alamo the past to the extent it would under a MAC because there were many more residents directly involved and many of the recommendations came from groups that were not beholden to the County.


Posted by Alamo Ron, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 10, 2009 at 2:46 pm

Dear Roy,

Huh?

Cordially,
Alamo Ron


Posted by Roy, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 10, 2009 at 3:03 pm

ARon, I think you know what I mean.


Posted by Rick, a resident of Danville
on Aug 10, 2009 at 3:40 pm

Well Geoff, there was absolutely people who said that they felt no sympathy for Rylan and his family. I remember it well because it angered me so, and I could probably find the specific quote if you demand I do so. Two, I've not once engaged in so-called "hate speech," unless that is what you call the truth. I and MANY like me believe that incorporation is just another tool for the liberals to rob a good, hardworking white community. Many like myself believe that liberals hate white towns and will "integrate" them artificially by any means necessary, including at the risk of our children. I took a look on the Contra Costa County website today to see what exact cities and towns are in this county. I looked on the FAQ page and the first two questions, the second one especially, were all about race and affirmative action. This is because liberals are obsessed with race and their perverted pity of minorities that they gain from a skewed perception of history. I am a reactionary - I react. I did not originally see all politics through the lens of race, but have been forced to do so because libs harp on race so. I absolutely believe that things like illegal immigration and affirmative action are what are robbing and destroying this great nation. I believe that things like incorporation will only allow libs to fascistically oppress and rape our good communities even more than they already have. I rightfully know that we, as Roy said, give more in taxes than we get and it will only get worse. People like Paul appear to be plants to further Piepho's evil agenda, with his talk of us wanting the county's goodies. Please. I don't think so. Homie don't play that. With incorporation, we shall be giving even more taxes for places like Richmond and Concord, because libs never blame minorities for their own problems. It's always the white man's fault. Therefore, white towns like Danville and Alamo should pay through the nose to try to "save" said minorities. I absolutely know that illegal immigrants in this area are disproportionately responsible for crime by ten times. They break into cars, vandalize, and murder rates go up exponentially as they move in. Sorry if the truth hurts. I know that there are more than 100,000 illegals living in Contra Costa, and we pay for their incredible cost of living with their culture of overbreeding and living off welfare because the jobs they work so cheap can not come close to paying for their ten babies and emergency healthcare for their gangbanging sons. I know that Rylan Fuchs is just the beginning, if we don't put a stop to this liberal agenda right now. With incorporation, the fascists in charge of the county could force through many more group homes, and naturally lower the already pathetic guidelines to enter. The libs just don't care about white communities. They really don't care if we lose a few kids, because they want us to wallow in the same filth and crime as those in Richmond. That's the liberal notion of "fair." they completely disregard why areas with so-called minorities are so messed up. It's all the white man's fault, after all. I believe with incorporation we shall have people trying to take even more of what's ours, while giving even less in return. So, let Alamo be run as much as possible by people from Alamo. And don't tread on us, because either way, incorporated or not, we the people rule. We are the power, and we're ready to let you politicians know who's in charge.


Posted by Rick, a resident of Danville
on Aug 10, 2009 at 3:41 pm

PS: South Park said it best when it comes to liberal concepts of "tolerance."

"Intolerance will not be tolerated!"

That's what I think of when you say you won't tolerate my words.


Posted by Geoff Gillette, Danville Weekly reporter
on Aug 10, 2009 at 3:59 pm

Geoff Gillette is a registered user.

Rick,
I am not going to engage you in further debate over this. If you wish to discuss it with me off-line my e-mail is ggillette@danvilleweekly.com.

The bottom line is, if we feel that your choice of verbiage (whether you consider it truth and not hate speech)violates our Terms of Use we will edit or delete the post.

This is a forum provided by the Danville Weekly, which has a set of Terms of Use that we expect you to abide by. If you feel someone has written something anti-white feel free to report it as objectionable content. If we deem it to be so, we will delete it. We have done so in the past and we will do so again.

However, obviously we do not catch every single thing that is posted so flagging items helps us to better moderate this forum.

Now, you have my e-mail so you can discuss it further with me if you wish. Any further posts continuing this debate will be deleted as irrelevant to the subject of the thread which is a MAC in Alamo.

Thank you.


Posted by Teach, a resident of Danville
on Aug 10, 2009 at 4:29 pm

Rick,

That key on the right side of your keyboard above the "Shift" key is the "Return" key. It is valuable for breaking up thoughts into readable paragraphs. Try it.

Cordially,
6th Grade Teach


Posted by Tony, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 10, 2009 at 4:37 pm

Couple of thoughts on the big post above.
1. No one is talking about incorporation. A MAC has nothing to do with incorporation.
2. There are a lot of people in Alamo who would take exception at being referred to as a white community. I am asian and don't appreciatee it. Ask Vishwaz More or Carl Nyatti if they knew they were living in a white community.
3. As far as I can tell a MAC won't change anyone's taxes. They'll still be collected by the county and used as they see fit.
4. Truth is subjective, the way it is used here. What you feel is truth can be hate speech. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true.
5. Let's see some facts to bac up those claims please.
6. Give the people of Richmond the same level of wealth and access as we have in Alamo and see if they aare still wallowing in filth.

thx
ta.


Posted by Rick, a resident of Danville
on Aug 10, 2009 at 5:24 pm

I would be happy to provide evidence, but of course you'll all declare it to be hateful, because facts or not, if it casts minorities in a bad light it's evil and hateful. And I don't want to go along with the tattletale-fest of telling on those I find offensive. When someone offends me I argue and attack back. Why doesn't the Danville weekly allow me to say my peace and allow the people of this town to castigate me if they so desire? If I sounded so insane and irrational, people would have the sense to see it and argue why i'm wrong. You all instead call me a heretic (racist) and try to tell me I can't say it. Well then what's the point of a forum if certain talking points are off limits? Sounds like a forum in Saudi Arabia. Tony, if u really want evidence I'd be happy to provide pages worth, as I've done in countless other comments I've made on this blog. And I couldn't care less what vishwaz and nyatti think. And why don't the people in Richmond EARN their wealth? I love you're communist proposal to "give" the wealth to them. Of course that's your only solution. They'll only have wealth when we give it to them. Forget making your own way


Posted by Tony, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 10, 2009 at 6:46 pm

But you haven't provided any facts. That's the point. You say there are 100,000 illegal immigrants in coco cty. Give me a link to a report showing it. You say all of those illegal immigrants have ten babies are on welfare and are breaking into all of our cars. Again, show me the money. Any sort of documented evidence to back up your claims. Facts are facts. If you want to convince anyone give up some facts to back your rhetoric.

You claim that you should be allowed to state your case and let people castigate you. That's not how reasoned conversation works. If you have a case to make, make it. Give soem actual facts other than "I say so". You say so, but that don't make it right.

A forum in Saudi Arabia? That's a laugh. Have you ever even been to the middle east? I'm pretty sure no one here in Danvillehas ever been hauled off in the middle of the night because of something they posted on this blog. You have the freedom to post your thougts anonymously with no recourse other than a tepidly worded warning.

People do argue with you and call you out. Frequently, but yu call them names, tell them they don't know what they're talking about and accuse them f all the things that you yourself are guilty of.

And do you prposely misunderstand or are you just that obtuse? I never said to give your money to anyone. I said, given the same level of wealth and access...in other words if the peopleof Richmond were all wealthy, well educated individuals (as is the csae in Alamo), do you think there would be the same level of crime as there is here.

And just by the way, i take exception to your comment about them 'wallowing in filth'. I doubt you've ever been in one of these places you like to diss or seen the life they lead and how they make do with what little they have. But I have. Many of them are good people doing their very best to survive working as day labor, or other menial tasks. You don't know them, you've never had to live life like that so please think about other people before you decide that they are all uniformly crooks and lazy welfare staters. Because you just don't know.

Have i explained it well enough that even you can't purposely twist my words? Hope springs eternal I guess.

I've given you a reasoned response, explaining my thoughts and explaining my request for clarification. I've tried very hard to keep emotion or personal attack out, just an honest attempt to understand.


Posted by Rick, a resident of Danville
on Aug 10, 2009 at 7:44 pm

Well Tony, you came with your guns loaded this time. Good for u. You're wrong that I've never provided evidence. You actually couldn't be more wrong. If u want a little anecdotal evidence, look to the new weekly article on the woman who was strangled and robbed. Before I provide further facts, I'd like to address what u said about what I know about hard living. You don't know me. You don't know what I've seen. I would also like to say that quelching freedom of speech is the first step in baling us away. Did u know that in Europe, Canada and Australia it is illegal to deny or diminish the holocaust? This is what liberal fascism leads to. U can be put in jail upwards of 5 YEARS for denying this part of history. U can deny anything that might be of nationalistic importance to the people of those countries. U can deny that 700,000 French people died. U can deny that 7 million Germans died. U can deny that 30 million Slavs died. But don't u dare deny that 6 million Jews died or the thought police will haul u away. These laws r soon to come to the U.S. if we don't stand against it. The point is that this over pitying of minorities here starts with people just telling me not to dare say certain things, whether I feel them to b true or not. Next step is laws against "hate speech," which we already have here to some degree. But I digress.

I never referred to all the people in Richmond or illegal immigrants as bad. However, there is an incredibly disproportionate amount of criminals and welfare users in their communities. We did not heed this statistic andbrought in a few kids from Richmond into this community, one of which murdered one of our town's kids. Their are other lesser criminals in that lot. We had no murders like that in this town of 40,000 for decades. Bring in a few Richmond kids and a Danville kid is
murdered. But of course this is just a local anecdotal story. The nationwide stats completely confirm this. I will do a liitle research and return with those facts u so desire, confirming the raging birth rate and criminality in the illegal immigrant community. I'll also bring the evidence to assert that the world is round and any other evidence that confirms blatantly obvious facts. Be right back


Posted by Roy, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 10, 2009 at 10:46 pm

How is this about an Alamo MAC? If you want to debate whether or not incorporation is really a secret plot by liberals to kill white people, please take it outside.


Posted by Rick, a resident of Danville
on Aug 10, 2009 at 10:56 pm

Don't ever tell me what to do. And all you punks are always making it seem like I start these tangents. I wrote a couple small comments first, but I got attacked, so I defended my line of reasoning, and then you fascists try to tell me to stay on point. IT IS THE POINT!!! So argue with me or ignore me. But, I've had about enough of people telling me what I can or can not talk about.

PS: How the f*** does incorporation not have anything to do with the MAC. I'm not the one who brought up that association, that the politicians didn't get incorporation so they'll use the MAC to accomplish their goals. But, you don't attack anyone else for saying the same things and not staying on the track that you believe you can dictate to us. You all are hollow facades, half-men, who have no ability to argue, so you just whine for me to stop. So take your own a** outside punk


Posted by reic, a resident of Danville
on Aug 10, 2009 at 11:06 pm

Are you the same Roy as up above? Because that Roy's the one who brought up the connection. Bizarre


Posted by Roy, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 10, 2009 at 11:10 pm

Whatever


Posted by Teach, a resident of Danville
on Aug 10, 2009 at 11:36 pm

MAC:

Men
Acting
Childishly


Posted by DB Resident, a resident of another community
on Aug 11, 2009 at 9:22 am

We receive more than our share of help from Mary and David Piepho out here in Discovery Bay. Be careful about anything Mary Piepho pushes that brings more control to her and/or the County. She will use it as she see fit. If she can't provide concrete reasons why the MAC is NECESSARY, then give her a "thanks but no thanks" and send her on her way. She has an entire County that is going bankrupt, which should give her plenty to focus on.

You will never have a chance to undo this step. Be careful.


Posted by Alamo Ron, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 11, 2009 at 9:28 am

Au Contraire.

Mary and the BOS already have control. By forming MACs, they are giving up some control and reaching out to communicate with the community.


Posted by Discovery Bay Oh My!, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 11, 2009 at 11:59 am

As another Discovery Bay person, I think it is important you all get both sides of the Piepho argument. I have never seen elected officals that care more, are more open and accessable than Mary and David Piepho.

Elected representatives may not always do what you want or believe in and luckily you have the right to voice your opinion, but you must understand that there is a small group in my town, just like yours who you could give a hundred dollars to and they would complain it wasn't two hundred.

I am glad we have a CSD here in Discovery Bay and I would support a MAC if I lived in Alamo, but thats just me.

Good luck all on this issue and please research things you read, don't just blindly believe people on the internet.


Posted by East County, a resident of another community
on Aug 11, 2009 at 12:25 pm

Before you decide whether a MAC is appropriate, read the MAC guidelines and the Better Governance Ordinance. Know that you will not be able to write letters, they will be writen for you and censored by the Supervisor. Know that it is the Supervisor who will appoint people that she determines are YES people. Know that the information that you receive will be filtered through her office and she will determine whether she wants you to have it. Know that the mail for the MAC will be filtered by her office. And most importantly, know that her office will be receiving $$$ for providing staff time for attendance, agendas and minutes. It would be interesting to know where the supposed $300/month savings would come from. The MAC guidelines allocate $3,000/year for adminstration. What is the County spending now for your various committees. Hopefully you do research and talk to the former members of the MACs that have been replaced because they questioned some of the Supervisor's actions. Hopefully, you do not buy her spin that this will good thing for your community and do your research.


Posted by Alamo Ron, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 11, 2009 at 1:29 pm

Dear East County,

I'm sorry that you do not live in an area that is covered by the U.S. Constitution.

Here is a quote from it:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Posted by Knightsen..., a resident of another community
on Aug 11, 2009 at 1:33 pm

Here's a couple of articles that are worth reading before deciding on the MAC concept:

Web Link

Web Link

I suggest that until you are certain it's the right path, don't support it. You can always decide to go that route later, but you can never go back.


Posted by Ralamo, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 11, 2009 at 1:46 pm

Hmmm...So Mary can take control over the land use planning in San Ramon Valley. All she needs to do is get a MAC in place, stock it with her people, and then disband the SRVRPC.

She wouldn't do that, would she?

Guess what, it's as good as done already.


Posted by One with Experience, a resident of another community
on Aug 11, 2009 at 2:12 pm

I really do not want to burst Alamo Ron's bubble, however he is not living in the real political world of Mary Piepho. Sounds suspiciously like Hubby David previously posted trying to make it sound how a MAC is a good thing. CSD is not a MAC, hasn't been a MAC for 10 years or more.

The real facts are:
1) If you don't agree with her concept or idea she gets rid of you.
2) She spins things to make her look good.
3) She will only appoint people on the MAC that will agree with her and consistently kisses her bu_ _.
4) Control is her factor.

If she cannot control you she does not want you in her camp. Mr. Knightsen is correct, be smart and talk to the other MAC's in her jurisdiction. Don't talk just talk to the current MAC members talk to the past members. There is where you will get the real story. Beware of what she promises and do your research. Once this is done it cannot be undone. Insist on your territorial map before you confirm. You will be surprised how your area can shrink, after fact. Go Luck!


Posted by East County, a resident of another community
on Aug 11, 2009 at 2:40 pm

Alamo Ron:

Read the MAC Guidelines and then tell me about the Constitution. Ask for the territorial map that she will have for the Alamo MAC and see what area they will have the ability to comment on. My bet is that it is a lot smaller than you would expect. Do some research and read the documents and ask her for the map before you decide that this is a good thing for your area.


Posted by Over the Hill, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 11, 2009 at 3:14 pm

Here's an update for you. It states in the Discovery Bay Minutes of 7/15/09 that Mary's community Discovery Bay will continue to receive the $3,000 for the MAC, even though they are not one. That means her community gets paid for not being a MAC, ignore all the regulations MAC's are suppose follow and she still squeezes the money out of the County so hubby will be happy. Who say's Mary doesn't play favorites. When she realized her community was not a MAC she immediately started revising the MAC regulations so her community could continue to get paid anyway. Beware Alamo! She spends funny money.


Posted by DB folks, a resident of another community
on Aug 11, 2009 at 4:28 pm

...are having fun again.

There is a small section of our community in Discovery Bay that hate everything Piepho. Every problem they find with the BoS is Mary Piepho's fault, trraffic jams, budget problems, all Mary Piepho.
They attack her on the internet, in the opinion section, but never at the ballot box.

Cowards, all of them, it's rather crazy.

Try calling her, ask her staff for help, get experience and make your own decisions.

As to the MAC "funds", mitigation funds are not solely for "MAC"'s, a perfect reason why you should never believe what you read on the internet.

Don't believe me either, do your research, make up your own mind.


Posted by Alamo Ron, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 11, 2009 at 5:30 pm

Dear East County,

Here is a quote from another document that may prove valuable to you:

Contra Costa County Code
Chapter 25-2.606 Public comment by members of policy bodies.

Every member of a policy body retains the full constitutional rights of a citizen to comment publicly on the wisdom or propriety of government actions, including those of the policy body of which he or she is a member. This county shall not sanction, reprove or deprive members of their rights as elected or appointed officials for expressing their judgments or opinions, including those which deal with the perceived inconsistency of nonpublic discussions, communications or actions with the requirements of state or federal law or of this division. The release of factual information made confidential by state or federal law including, but not limited to, the privilege for confidential attorney-client communications, may be the basis for a request for injunctive relief, a complaint to the grand jury seeking an accusation of misconduct, or both.



Posted by Rick, a resident of Danville
on Aug 11, 2009 at 5:53 pm

Alamo Ron, u obviously are so naive as to believe a law is unbreakable. The illegal immigrants break the law everyday and are allowed to do so. Bush broke constitutional law and for the most part got away with it. There's no such thing as law. There's only what politicians wish to do and what we'll let them get away with. Therefore, the peoples' job is to perpetually hold the leaders' feet to the fire, and burn their a**es until they do as we wish


Posted by Dave - Alamo, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 11, 2009 at 6:12 pm

If I can believe half of what I read in these two articles:

Web Link

Web Link

then Mary Piepho is a scary lady. It's possible that a few people in East County don't like her, but it's also possible they have a reason. I don't care about them, but I do care about our town and I don't have confidence in the County. What's that old line? "We're from the County and we're here to help."

Seriously, read those articles.



Posted by Roy, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 11, 2009 at 6:13 pm

The code section in Alamo Ron's last post deals with the protected right of an INDIVIDUAL to be a whisleblower. It doesn't address East County's statements that the MAC "will not be able to write [their own] letters, they will be writen for you and censored by the Supervisor" or that "the information that you receive will be filtered through her office and she will determine whether she wants you to have it". It's sad to have to worry about things like that, but this supervisor has earned my mistrust.


Posted by Askidoo, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 11, 2009 at 8:10 pm

"There are many sides to every story...."

In Alamo currently so many have protested an Alamo MAC with the argument that the Alamo Improvement Association speaks for all in town: out of 17,000 residents, 10,000 registered voters they have a self proclaimed membership of 300 - 600 families or max of 1500 members. Then they, AIA, worry about the information being filtered, etc. per the above? Really? Routinely, the AIA and many other private interest group filters their stories.

The worry for years that a private group, AIA, exerts and wants to control what I and my neighbors do with our land behind closed doors is prevalent. Many vehemently dislike them. I am sure Supervisor Piepho has heard that repeatedly. That they create roadblocks with the County that costs Alamo money is well documented. They make decisions in private, many at Roundhill Country Club, don't follow the Brown Act, don't publish minutes, and don't follow any of the sunshine rules that normally govern public bodies - daisy chaining. They have been known to be very subjective in what they allow and disallow; the same item in different places being allowed and in others objected to, and so are not consistent. In this they are the same as a Supervisor, and worse in that none of it is open to the public in any way, shape or form.

As to their input into the MAC, they like anyone who requests info on a project will still be able to give that input MAC or not. As a private agency nothing government does changes that. Given no change for them why are they fighting this so vehemently? Are they worried about the Supervisor's control which she earned via her election and repeated election or their perceived control of a few families?

While incorporation would have solved many of the problems above, without it, a MAC is closer to relevancy, openness and objective discourse than is the current situation. Even though as the writers above have noted Piepho has earned our mistrust.


Posted by Cat Herder, a resident of another community
on Aug 11, 2009 at 10:10 pm

Askidoo, I had to read that last post twice. I couldn't tell if you were writing about the AIA or the Discovery Bay POA. Same tactics, same sort of control freaks, some of whom are obviously posting in this very thread. Piepho bashing is almost sport for some of them.

Don't let our east county nuts spread their hate to Alamo. Their false commentary and lies have been fully exposed and now they are in search of new playgrounds.

A MAC provides legitimacy for the decision making process in Alamo. The problem with a group like the AIA is as you noted, the lack of accountability. They see the MAC as a threat to their little monopoly on power, so it's no wonder they are defensive.

The AIA can still exist, if they choose. Nothing in the formation of the MAC forces them to dissolve. Hell, current members are even free to apply for the MAC positions if they like. They just don't get to act like the AIA is the end all of decision making in the Alamo going forward.


Posted by where there's smoke..., a resident of Danville
on Aug 11, 2009 at 10:56 pm

The people who warn about the Piephos are "nuts" and "cowards" according to a few of these posts.

But, I read the articles posted to one of the "nuts" emails and it looks like there are some fact that support the distrust of the Piephos.

Web Link

Web Link

Calling Piepho detractors "nuts" is very similar to Nancy Pelosi and the Dem referring to folks who show up at town hall meetings with concerns about Obama's health care plan "brown shirted, un-Americans". Not really very convincing...


Posted by Discobay man, a resident of another community
on Aug 12, 2009 at 7:35 am

I really hope this newspaper is looking at the IP address of posters. I am more than willing to bet the "different" people posting the same links in the same fashion are the same people.

I also bet I can name them. John "Gonzo" Gonzales, Kathy "Piepho hater" Leighton, Carol "Never met an election law I didn't like to break" Jackson, Bill "walk softly and carry a really big noodle" Richardson, and Don "Cry Cry Baby" Fint. These people are becoming talented in propaganda, innuendo, and misdirection.

Furthermore, Alamo gets a MAC! The more representation you get the better.


Posted by Cat Herder, a resident of another community
on Aug 12, 2009 at 7:42 am

Did you read the article or just the parts that support your pre-conceived beliefs?

All MACs in the country went through review, not just Knightsin(nice sign, btw) and Byron. One of the articles even opens telling you this. We have a few screwballs out here who still think it's 1850 and the Byron Tract extends far and wide. Get with the program! It's 2009 and the way business and government is run needs to change. The MAC restructuring and the Alamo MAC creation are both in the spirit of creating consistency in county government. Stop creating boogeymen from trivial procedures.

I watched the proceedings of the BoS meeting yesterday. Didn't see a large group show up to fight against this MAC creation. Of those that did speak, the public comments were about split. Much like the proceedings in our area, it appears to be a vocal few trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Your alias in your last post is perfect! It's all about creating doubt, hearsay and innuendo with no real facts to support. It's amazing local officials get anything done as they spend a large portion of their time defending the witch hunts you people keep starting. Feel free to point the folks to even one of your dumbass torch and pitchfork efforts over the years that has resulted in showing the Piephos have done anything wrong. You can't! You just don't like they way they do business, but guess what, you're in the minority. Both were duly elected via the democratic process, so maybe it's time to pull that faded Guy Houston campaign sign down off your fence and get with reality?

Don't even get me started on the healthcare debates. Retirees showing up complaining they don't want government run healthcare, but when the crowd is asked how many are on Medicare you get over half raising their hands?

Add in a couple of birther movement whack jobs and one guy even carrying a gun to a rally. Yeah, real sane operation going there.


Posted by Triogenes, a resident of Alamo
on Aug 12, 2009 at 8:17 am

Dolores,

Time to close this thread...


Posted by Dolores Ciardelli, editor of Danville Express
on Aug 12, 2009 at 3:18 pm

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