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UPDATE: Man shot by police in front of 7 Eleven had stolen a gun, car Wednesday night

Original post made on Jul 8, 2010

A man who was fatally shot by officers during a standoff at a convenience store in San Ramon early this morning began his crime spree Wednesday night in San Jose, where he stole a car, and then went to Dublin and stole a gun, police said.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, July 8, 2010, 10:27 AM

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Posted by MTizzle
a resident of Danville
on Jul 8, 2010 at 1:21 pm

Based on what's presented here, some questions come to mind:
- From the time the robbery took place and time of shootout, wasn't there a negotiator involved?
- How long was the standoff outside the building before supsect was killed?
- Did the suspect start pointing and or shooting immediately?
- Did officers REALLY have to shoot/kill the suspect or could they have preserved the suspect's life by: using a negotiator, tear-gasing the place and or bean bags to injure the person rather than KILL?

Seems like there may have been some potential trigger happy folks on the scene lacking adequate training?


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Posted by Laszlo
a resident of Walnut Creek
on Jul 8, 2010 at 2:11 pm

Kudos. One less trial to deal with.


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Posted by Treebeard
a resident of Danville
on Jul 8, 2010 at 3:26 pm

MTizzle:

How long are you willing to have a person aiming a gun at your head? Are you going to negotiate with him before he blows you away?


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Posted by Respect the Law
a resident of Danville
on Jul 8, 2010 at 4:49 pm

Don't screw with law enforcement, Oscar Grant III, learned the hard way as well.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 9, 2010 at 8:10 am

It is easy to be an armchair quarterback. Bye the way Thugs are not reasonable people. This Thug used a gun to negotiate. I have no questions regarding the police response, it all makes sense to me.


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Posted by Linda
a resident of Danville
on Jul 9, 2010 at 8:12 am

It is sad that these things have to happen, but I am grateful that the police are there to protect and serve.

After Oscar Grant being made into a hero for being a thug who thinks he can bully and threaten people in public places, I fear that bit by bit, the police will lose their ability to protect the truly innocent.

The Oscar Grant case shouldn't have been about race, but it has become about that. Because of the "race card" being pulled, this has turned into an act of terrorism. Businesses and individuals, no matter how they honestly feel about the case have been forced to publicly back the Grant supporters in order to feel safe.

Treebeard, Exactly! An officer has a split second to react. People have got to begin taking responsibility for their actions. Wave a gun in public, you might get shot. Should be end of story.


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Posted by LP
a resident of Danville
on Jul 9, 2010 at 8:44 am

I feel sorry for the police who will have to live with knowing they killed a man. I feel sorry for the victim's family.
I feel safe knowing the people of San Ramon will not be rioting like a bunch of barbarians.


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Posted by Carolyn
a resident of Alamo
on Jul 9, 2010 at 8:44 am

To MTizzle - you certainly have the right to raise questions, but I think it is ridiculous to post your thoughts based on "what is presented here". It's the Danville Express for goodness sake, not a police report. I have no idea what really happened one way or the other, but I certainly wouldn't go online and start questioning the police who were faced with a guy who they already knew stole a car, rammed it through a store and stole a gun, and then caused a 7-11 Clerk to call 911. Your post seems inappropriate, preliminary and naive to me.


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Posted by Karl
a resident of Danville
on Jul 9, 2010 at 10:08 am

MTizzle omitted some very important resources that should have been called. In addition to the negotiator, they should have made sure that all parties agree to the decision of the 'Arbitrator'. They should assure that the negotiator is certified by the AAA (American Arbitrator Association).
Why wasn't the President of the local NAACP called? Why wasn't an ACLU attorney called to bring order to this confrontation. They would raise more questions than MTizzle could.

But importantly, we need many thugs with cameras to be there to take videos of the abuse being dealt out.

Considering they weren't there and based on this report, I am proud of local police for such swift action. They are to be commended.


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Posted by Lisa
a resident of Danville
on Jul 9, 2010 at 10:20 am

Teach your children to FOLLOW THE LAW! And when police ask you 40 times to put your gun down..... PUT IT DOWN. This is the law, follow it,or be shot. Sad, but too bad. His only request was WEED. Nice request to give officers while they are begging you to work with them. Makes me sick.

Thank GOD for our police officers here. Who else is willing to stick their heads out there for our potection? Thank an officer for his hard work today in San Ramon, Danville, and Alamo!


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Danville
on Jul 9, 2010 at 10:21 am

Good job by the police.

This scum showed by his behavior (backing into a gun shop and stealing a gun) that he had no desire to act all touch-feely as MTizzle (first post) would've liked.

Again, good job police.


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Posted by Duffy
a resident of Danville
on Jul 9, 2010 at 10:33 am

In view of the economic crisis (not to be wasted) it would have been far more patriotic for Mr.
Baumgardner to have stolen an American made car. Preferably either a government owned
General Motors or Chrysler product.

We don't know what make of gun nor its country of origin but chances are it was not
an American made gun.

Perhaps the police were incensed by this lack of patriotism and shot him prior to a negiotiatior, a ACLU attorney or the NAACP being involved.

The lesson is clear........... STEAL AMERICAN!


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Posted by Rose
a resident of Danville
on Jul 9, 2010 at 11:50 am

So true Lisa, where are the parents when these kids are growing up?? Instead of wheeping and wailing when the law finally catches up with these thugs, and blaming the LAW, how about teaching kids that we live in a law abiding society!! How sad when lawlessness like we saw in Oakland last night is excused! All I hear this morning is only a few windowa were broken, only a few stores were burgled, only a few arrests were made etc., etc. LAWLESSNESS, no matter how you slice it!!!

Back to San Ramon, if you point a gun at the police, your dead!


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Posted by wow
a resident of another community
on Jul 9, 2010 at 2:09 pm

the proper response would have been for the police to take the 7-11 employee back into the store and sit down with the gunman over a couple of beers to iron out this unfortunate misunderstanding... that's what Obama would have done


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Posted by Barbara
a resident of Danville
on Jul 9, 2010 at 2:26 pm

There is a difference between these thugs. Oscar Grant - was lying face down with no gun pointed at law enforcement and listening to racial slurs. This thug pointed a gun at law enforcement, no mention of racial slurs. The officers took the actions to protect themselves first. Unfortunate, and I'm sure race isn't a question in this case.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Danville
on Jul 9, 2010 at 2:31 pm

Barbara - thank you! Perfect response.


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Posted by GunGuy
a resident of Danville
on Jul 9, 2010 at 6:50 pm

Suicide By Cop.


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Posted by Betty
a resident of Danville
on Jul 10, 2010 at 1:29 pm

Imagine if that was your son, brother, or friend. You don't know the background of his life or what may have caused him to do what he did. Have a heart and think before you make opinions.


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Posted by ....
a resident of Danville
on Jul 10, 2010 at 1:49 pm

Who says they are thugs? not evey one that does soemthing wrong or commits suicide via the police are thugs you racist f***s.. mayby he lost his job or his wife and couldnt take it any longer. Mayby he used to be in the army and is suffering PTSD and couldnt take it any longer.

Not evry one that does something wrong is from oakland or a thug. Show some respect for him mayby if he were to kill the clerk and a cop you could call him a thug. He knew what he was doing the whole time from the second he stole the car to rasing the gun at the cop he knew what he was in for.

More adequate traing MTizzle? are you kidding me i would love to see you be a cop and have a robber point a gun at your head. You would prolly tell him to kill you haha. Some people in this world truely amaze me and you are on my list.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of San Ramon
on Jul 10, 2010 at 7:17 pm

I didn't know thug was a racist term? In my mind thugs come in all shapes, sizes, zip codes and colors!


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Posted by ...
a resident of Danville
on Jul 10, 2010 at 8:20 pm

Whats a thug then by your definition and tell me how you related that to the man who was shot and killed.


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Posted by ...
a resident of Danville
on Jul 11, 2010 at 12:36 pm

GUY, I agree they are all idiots and worthless but in this situation the extra officers was needed.


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Posted by m
a resident of Walnut Creek
on Jul 12, 2010 at 7:01 am

I want to say that I know the mother of the child. and whoever posted "where are the parents" i am here to tell you that she is a very good person and mother its unfortunate that this happened to you. Thank you Betty from Danville. your are absolutely right! he had a great family with lots of love. I dont know what he was going thru to do this.. but he wasnt a "thug"


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Posted by Linda
a resident of Alamo
on Jul 12, 2010 at 10:33 am

#1 Thug, a common criminal, who treats others violently and roughly, often for hire. Often a member of a gang, as an enforcer in organized crime, and misdemeanor.
#2 Thug (from Hindi ठ— ṭhag), the member of the former Indian cult Thuggee. This is the original meaning.


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Posted by Guy
a resident of Danville
on Jul 13, 2010 at 8:50 am

not sure why they would call Danville for back-up.....they are WORTHLESS!!!!!!!!!!! Hope the new chief cleans up the mess!!!!

Go ahead and delete the TRUTH!!!!!!!


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