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School district employees get new contract, one-time bonus

Original post made on Jun 11, 2013

San Ramon Valley Unified School District teachers obtained their first contract since 2008 Tuesday night, leaving the negotiating table with maintained health care benefits and a bonus. San Ramon Valley Education Association members were working with a contract that expired in 2011.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, June 10, 2013, 4:32 PM

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Posted by Mom of 3, a resident of Danville
on Jun 11, 2013 at 7:13 am

During this school year, 2012-2013, Jerry Brown asked voters to vote to increase their own taxes and he used the schools to justify it. Now a multimillion dollar bonus? We've been had!


Posted by BellaSF, a resident of Danville
on Jun 11, 2013 at 7:49 am

LA Times 3/21/13:

"The teachers pension fund had an unfunded liability of $73 billion as of June 2012, an increase from $64.5 billion the year before. Without changes, it could run out of money by 2044."

"For years, problems with California's pension fund for teachers and school employees have been growing. Now a new report says the fund needs an additional $4.5 billion every year -- more than Sacramento spends on both university systems combined -- to stay above water."

Web Link

Soooo tired of hearing "It's for the kids!" No, it's not. IS. NOT. It is for the adults that pay their union dues. Can you imagine what we could do with an few extra BILLION DOLLARS spent in the classroom versus on staff compensation???? How can these bonuses, health insurance guarantees, guaranteed anything, be justified until the unfunded pensions are addressed? The SRVEA should be embarrassed. And taxpayers should be outraged.


Posted by 20 yr resident, a resident of San Ramon Valley High School
on Jun 11, 2013 at 7:54 am

Mom of 3, you're surprised???!!! Our last child graduates this week, we are so done with this district, while it's really one of the best, we are so sick of the nonsense the administrations and teachers portray as education... the marginal educators receiving acclaim, yet bright-challenging teachers are suspended or removed. As the message the principal/inspirational speakers said this weekend- WE'RE OUT OF HERE.

Oh, by the way, what industry today is covering FULL costs of medical, without any contribution by the employee? Disgusting!! OH yea... it's for the "children"....


Posted by mom of 3, a resident of Danville
on Jun 11, 2013 at 8:02 am

20 yr resident, I am not surprised at all!!! I am with you in that I am so done with this district. Nonsense is right!


Posted by Concerned, a resident of Danville
on Jun 11, 2013 at 9:19 am

I am curious, if you were so unhappy with the SRVUSD why didn't you put your student in a private school (Valley Christian, DLS or Carondelet) or how about if you were to home school your student? How horrible was school for your student? My student had a great experience and has gone on to be a very successful business professional. So, thank you SRVUSD!


Posted by Concerned and Fed Up - Danville Mom, a resident of Danville
on Jun 11, 2013 at 9:35 am

I am SO MAD! This is so typical of our government, unions, bureaucracy, politicians, and self-interested "teachers." It is so crazy that these folks believe they DESERVE a raise! For what?!

California teachers, here's your report card as graded by the students – your audience (or in real world terms – "target market"):

Web Link

Oh, and another article from a different source:

California ranked 36th overall in Education Week's report. In addition to school finance, the report considers factors like student achievement, regulations for teachers and measures of equity. Each factor is assigned a number score and then averaged into a letter grade. California received a 75.5, or a C, which, while not stellar, is better than the F the state was given by Michelle Rhee's StudentsFirst earlier this week.

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Your votes to raise our taxes and give yourselves raises are a monumental conflict of interest! How is this Constitutional?! How do teachers have more rights than parents and taxpayers? Have you forgotten who pays the bills? Teachers don't make money – like government, they are a tax. Unfortunately, the teachers aren't any MORE educated than anyone else so ultimately have the blind leading the blind!

California government and the school systems are so corrupt that they are bankrupting their tax-paying citizens, failing to educate our youth, and voting themselves raises and vacations all over the place. Do these results tell a story of virtuosity and educational excellence? Do these results entitle teachers to a raise?

Plus, with the "me too" clause, if one union gets a raise then the other unions and their members should get raises too because it's not a matter of DESERVING or EARNING it… How is this logical? How is this "fair"? What happened to pay for PERFORMANCE? It's a requirement in private business and is a reward for those individuals who EARNED it.

I've never stopped learning. Getting out of school allowed me the opportunity to explore and discover what I WANT to learn – not what's been MANDATED by the "general public" or who they're calling "professionals or board members" picking out this tired, boring, stupid curriculum. How is it you can spend 12 years going to school and still only be qualified to flip burgers when you get out? Where is this EDUCATION we are paying so much for?

Where is your morality and pride of accomplishment? Teachers should be the MOST educated people! They are in a position of respect and authority. With the amount of money, retirement, and other entitlements lining these people's pockets, we should be the smartest, most educated, productive, happy people… but we're not… Why?


Posted by Education Fan, a resident of Danville
on Jun 11, 2013 at 1:02 pm

What a gaggle of malcontents!


Posted by GG, a resident of Danville
on Jun 11, 2013 at 4:28 pm

I find it interesting that while many gripe about the compensation that these teachers receive, no one states what the "correct" compensation for a teacher would be....so if you are one of the complainers, state the annual salary you think a teacher should receive. Just don't get snarky with the they only work 9 months out of the year - or do you think your little darlings should be in school year round for 160 hours a month?


Posted by Sally, a resident of Danville
on Jun 11, 2013 at 6:14 pm

GG,
You mean compensation for teachers who are the "most educated people." Don't forget, we want the cream of the crop, but with no cost of living increases or bonuses that masquerade as cost of living increases.


Posted by Sara, a resident of Danville
on Jun 12, 2013 at 7:44 am

it's not just the teachers. SRVUSD gives all it's employees full health benifits for life. All employess also get pair to take the summer off. Who else do you know who receives such benifits.


Posted by mom of 3, a resident of Danville
on Jun 12, 2013 at 9:21 am

I don't consider myself a malcontent. And the reason I didn't send my kids to private school is because I pay a lot of Property taxes for public education in a good district. BUT, parents are expected to pay a lot of "voluntary" costs and make "voluntary" donations to keep the schools the way they are. We are told how dire the budget situation is all the time, and then the news comes out that there is a bonus for the teachers. I believe teachers should be paid more, but they should have merit pay! Good teachers should make the most money. Speaking of money, SF Chronicle today says that the CA budget will give more money to needy schools. And that means less money for our district, which means the parents have more of a burden to keep the good public schools good.


Posted by C. R. Mudgeon, a resident of Danville
on Jun 12, 2013 at 9:36 am

I don't have a firm opinion on the salary of teachers in our district. I DO think that fully covering full-family health care without any contribution from the employee is far more generous than almost anything in the private sector. It is fairly typical for the employee to be fully-covered at no added cost, but almost always there is an employee contribution required for the spouse and/or children coverage.

I am also very curious about the retiree health care provisions of the new contract. In particular, on the length of employment that is required to qualify. In addition to our very large unfunded pension liability, the funding of retiree health benefits is a huge issue, and looming problem.

The fundamental problem with public employee unions, of course, is that no one really represents taxpayers (the "owners" of the enterprise, so to speak). Which is why it is always important to pay attention to school board elections, to vote for board members who will represent the taxpayer well, and not be beholden to the union. Even so, it is just human nature for the school board to want to minimize their own headaches, and the union is far more capable of creating headaches for the board, compared to mere taxpayers and voters!

I am also interested in seeing an analysis of the impact of the new state education funding plan, on SRVUSD. I haven't seen any figures, but my guess is that SRVUSD will remain on the short end of the state funding stick (or formula), since most of the reporting on the subject is that the new formula tries to direct the bulk of the increased state funding to districts with lots of low-income families, and students who don't speak English as their primary language. I fully support efforts to make sure that funding per student is fair/equal across differing districts. But I believe that state funding for SRVUSD has been below average for years, and will remain so (independent of what taxpayers in our district pay IN).


Posted by C. R. Mudgeon, a resident of Danville
on Jun 12, 2013 at 9:48 am

Someone above made a comment that was to the effect of, "If you're so unhappy with our district, why don't you put your kid in private school?" A fair question, and obviously part of the answer is that it costs so much, and also we are already paying for the public schools.

This leads naturally to the issue of vouchers, that people could use to pay a portion of private school costs. My own grown kids went to public schools (elementary through HS), and I have always believed that it is important to have good public schools. So I understand some of the arguments against voucher programs, or at least some forms of voucher programs.

At the same time, it has always seemed to me that a voucher program could be constructed that wouldn't hurt the public school district financially. Basically, size the voucher to be a bit less than the "variable cost" of educating a student in the district. By variable cost, I mean the non-fixed portion of per-student spending, basically not including relatively fixed costs such as facilities, core functions, etc. (So, one way of looking at it is to say that the variable costs are basically the cost of the teachers themselves (which scale with the number of students in classrooms), plus books, supplies, etc.)

My contention is that a voucher amount could be determined that would help people to have their kids attend private schools, but is low enough so that the loss of the student would save more in district costs than the voucher amount.

The fundamental problem is that districts get funded in direct proportion to the number of students. That just means that the funding formula would need to be modified so that some portion of funding would be retained by the district, for the students who took the vouchers. As in most things, "funding formulas" have a huge impact on behavior, for better and worse....


Posted by June, a resident of Danville
on Jun 12, 2013 at 10:25 am

I seriously question whether there really is a "me too" clause. I have never known a union to bargain for other unions. As for health benefits, it appears that SRVSD is the only district around that provides full family benefits. Does the teachers' union appreciate this fact and share their appreciation with their members? I doubt it.

Would it be possible for the district to post on line the full contract with the union? As parents we have a right to see what it actually says.


Posted by Educator, a resident of Danville
on Jun 13, 2013 at 6:56 am

As an educator who has worked in the district for over two decades and who only gets health care as a cost of living raise for many of my years working here, I am really disappointed at the continual scapegoating. Teachers in the district have agreed over and over again for NO increase in salary to keep our benefits capped at the cost of Kaiser. We haven't had a direct monetary bonus or salary increase since 2007. We are trapped by rules; we cannot leave the district without taking a huge dip in salary. Other districts wil only give you credit for 5-7 years when you may have over 20 years experience. I know it has been tough and teachers rely on extraordinary parent generosity to fund basics and we thank you. As this is the last official day of class, I'd like to thank all of my students' parents for 23 years of unflagging wonderful support. Happy summer to all, now I'll spend weeks planning for Common Core and the Next Generation Science Standards and attending trainings before the next school year and not mind at all because that's what we do during our summer vacation.


Posted by Concerned and Fed Up - Danville Mom, a resident of Danville
on Jun 13, 2013 at 7:16 am

Unfortunately, I don't see the value in any of these public/private schoolteachers of today. My son hasn't learned anything in school. They've been teaching the same tired curriculum for "over 50 years." Everything they teach is old, outdated, and wrong. I want my children to receive an EDUCATION so I am teaching them everything I know, plus Kumon, plus extracurricular activities and sports to encourage social play and learning.

Teachers are glorified babysitters proclaiming to be the best, most important people to our children- taking credit for "teaching" our kids. I teach my kids. Teachers babysit them at school, at best. Kumon and TV/computer/games have taught my kids more than any time they've spent in the classrooms.

As a matter of fact, I'm sure everything my children have learned in school (like me, when I went) could be taught in a few short years. Why does it take 12 years to go to school just to leave and be qualified only to flip burgers? High school is a ridiculously HUGE waste of time so I wouldn't pay a high school teacher anything because I don't see their value. By high school, most of these kids are probably smart enough and capable enough (had they been nurtured, encouraged, supported, and loved in younger classes and at home) to start their own companies, make their own money, be respected and treated like individuals with the desire to be more and bring their dreams to fruition.

I believe in supporting, helping, and teaching our youth. I believe what we're doing now is wrong. We have been doing it for over 50 years – numerous generations have been disappointed – and we know it! The same complaints from when I went to school continue to exist (or have gotten worse) today. Unfortunately, we put too much trust in the government now and not enough faith in ourselves. Before responding, just think – Who gives you your rights? In school, whom do the teachers say give your children and parents (since we have no influence or rights to question the curriculum) their rights?

With my experience and work history in the computer field, I have come to discover that the world is so much bigger than the classroom. I believe every student should understand and have that opportunity. You only live once – do you really want to spend 12+ years, 6 hours a day, 5 days a week in a classroom being talked at by someone 30+ years old with no real world experience "teaching" you what they "think" it's going to take to make money in the real world when they've only known the pride of receiving a paycheck from the government?! Woo hoo, teachers! Based on what I've seen and my experience with teachers I've met, I would only pay them $40,000 per year. Unfortunately, when you leave their classrooms you're not even qualified to make that!

Ideally, teachers would be really educated, smart business people who could teach our children the necessary skills, logic, and education required to make money and become successful entrepreneurs when they leave. With the amount of money we spend to "educate" our children we should be brilliant, but we're not. If anything, we're dumber. We've lowered the standards and are teaching students that the government gives them their rights and that we're all the same. Conformity is not the answer and the more my kids go to school - the more they're exposed to the illogical, stupid, group-think teaching that the government is dictating be taught to our children.

I am an individual. My children are individuals. We deserve better. Mediocrity cannot be the right answer. Vouchers don't solve the problem either - maybe from the perspective of not having to pay for education our entire lives, even folks without kids, like we do now. Even when my brother and I went to private school, my parents still paid for public school. We are ALL paying.to educate everyone forever… doesn't seem like something that can continue to last…

Since the quality of the education is failing and demand for education is rising… If you're waiting for the government to educate you, then I think you're going to be waiting a while… As a matter of fact, they're not even rolling out the CCC until next year. They claim Common Core will be great but they'll start rolling it out next year and maybe it'll be done in a couple more years… Can you believe that they determined this curriculum by evaluating the college curriculum? So you need to go to school for 16+ years to MAYBE get a job if you can figure out how to do that after you graduate… Wouldn't it be smarter and more logical to look at the world and what we know of it today and try to teach and expose our children to as much Creation (outside) and logic, science, reading, and math in explaining their observations? Let's start teaching our children FACTS and not opinions.

I believe in America. I believe in people. I believe that the best solution for education is to allow children to spend more time asking questions, playing with friends, beings outdoors, exploring. By the age of 3, children can begin to learn the alphabet and start reading/writing exercises. By the age of 6, children have the capability to read and understand math. Science explains their observations through logic. There is little room for debate and interpretation in math, science, and learning to read. Start with the basics, first, folks. Until everyone that graduates can read, write, and understand math and logic, then our school system will continue to fail… no matter if they implement CCC or not… Age is just a number…


Posted by Mom of two, a resident of Danville
on Jun 13, 2013 at 7:44 am

To Concerned and Fed Up
Get your kids and attitude our of our excellent public schools. If you are so fed up please Home School them and quit blaming SRVUSD teachers for your shortcomings as a parent.


Posted by Concerned and Fed Up - Danville Mom, a resident of Danville
on Jun 13, 2013 at 9:17 am

Mom of two,

Ditto. You're just as ignorant as the teachers. I guess if it was good enough for you then it's good enough for your kids. Why should they deserve better?!

I certainly wouldn't be complaining if I wasn't FORCED to foot the bill. I don't want to pay for this. If you want to pay the unions. If you want to be a part of this "system" then you pay for it, but I shouldn't be forced to. Giving more money is only contributing to the problem. No teacher I've ever met has played with the students -EVER! Where's the FUN in learning? Where's the FUN school?

Why should I be forced to pay for this brainwashing, dream-killing system that is destroying our future generations? I'm working for the government and it's time to realize you are too - my taxes are over 50% which means I'm paying to support their spending. I want a better life for me, but more importantly, for my children and I believe it begins with education.

We stand divided because people immediately become defensive when you question their way of life. I believe it's the human element. Open your mind and let go of your anger. And answer this one question - Who gives you your rights?


Posted by Teacher, a resident of Walnut Creek
on Jun 13, 2013 at 9:19 am

One of the things we do teach in school is that the use of hyperbole, especially in public discourse, is damaging and prevents real discussion.

Nasty truth, there are bad teachers, bad administrators, and bad district officials. There are educators who still teach outmoded ideas from antiquated books using material they mimeographed back when mimeographs were the only ways to make copies.

But, you know what? There are great teachers preparing students for college and career as best they can in an ever-changing world.

I know that as an educator, I am fortunate to have the benefits I have, but I also work every summer to make ends meet so that I can live in the community in which I teach. I'm also aware of the increasing "voluntary" costs placed on parents.

We need to have discussions about education and about the best uses of our tax money. Our ultimate goal is the same, the best education for our students. Let's work as allies in this great cause and not as adversaries.

It is an honor to teach students. Thank you!


Posted by PSMacintosh, a resident of Danville
on Jun 13, 2013 at 9:28 am

Actually, one was the most frightening facts disclosed by the original article is the last paragraph.

"A new article on technology was also added to the contract, which allows for the development of a joint advisory committee. The committee will meet once a year to "have conversations about technology and how it can affect our workload," Katzburg said."

This is a HINT of things to come.

Teachers/Administrators are scared about how technology will affect their jobs and pay. What if a great online training/schooling system gets developed that cuts out the need for as many teachers or as many teaching hours or as highly educated teachers?

You can darn well bet that the unions and teachers will fight to retain their full salaries and full positions? They might even add paragraphs into their contracts that disallow some types of online or video teaching. They might try to prohibit the new teaching methods of the future in order to protect their form of jobs from change or reduction.


Posted by C. R. Mudgeon, a resident of Danville
on Jun 13, 2013 at 4:46 pm

PSMacintosh - Thanks for pointing out the last sentence/paragraph of the article, which somehow I glossed over:

"A new article on technology was also added to the contract, which allows for the development of a joint advisory committee. The committee will meet once a year to "have conversations about technology and how it can affect our workload," Katzburg said."

This statement is very interesting on several levels:

First, what possible benefit can come from having a joint advisory committee on technology that will meet "once a year"? That's a joke in itself....

Second, the other reason for knowing that the committee is a waste of time is that it will meet to "have conversations".

Thirdly, the intent of the committee is apparently NOT to look at how to use technology to educate more effectively, but rather to look at its effect on teacher workload.

As PSMac said, this likely means that the intent is to ensure that technology NOT be used to teach more efficiently, if this means that teacher hours might be reduced. And, at the same time, to make sure that technology introduction doesn't require any more time/effort than before.


Posted by Concerned and Fed Up - Danville Mom, a resident of Danville
on Jun 13, 2013 at 5:47 pm

PSMacintosh, C.R.Mudgeon,you're absolutely right! I couldn't agree more. It's really scary and it's only getting worse, but what can we do?

Unfortunately, the government is dictating the curriculum. Parents have no voice and the wrong things are being taught. There are so many more efficient ways to teach that are enjoyable – and technology only adds to the experience of learning. Logic is the greatest thing missing in the current curriculum and we need to teach our children now the skills of the present and the future. They should be learning cursive writing, gardening, biology, and other sciences and technologies. We could really change the learning experience by breaking the current paradigm.

Why should a child sit in a classroom for 6 hours to be lectured at? Who benefits and learns from that? Our children are capable of so much more. We're teaching to the lowest common denominator. It's time for innovation and creativity, positive reinforcement, and physical activity. You only live once… What do you want your children's life experiences to be? Remember when you were young?...

When I was a kid, outside was paradise and I hated school. When I could play sick, I did. I would get a "case of the Monday's" on Sunday absolutely dreading the first day of school the next morning... or cramming the night before a big test...Ugh!

I just want better for my children and there are so many programs and opportunities to take advantage of now that we can really change the entire learning experience… and at a fraction of the cost! Minus the bias opinions of the self-interested teachers unions. ☺
Plus, we need to encourage more positive social interactions between children of the same ages to build friendships among their peers in the community. It can be a great time to build new memories for our children and create a positive learning experience that teaches them now the necessary information and skills to start their own businesses and become whoever they want to be while instilling the best values of being an individual. I truly believe in America and in our people in the community.


Posted by Sally, a resident of Danville
on Jun 13, 2013 at 7:02 pm

Concerned and Fed Up wrote: "I truly believe in America and in our people in the community."

Um. You believe in America except for everything about our chosen system of education. And you believe in "people in the community" excluding educators and those who support them.


Posted by Education Fan, a resident of Danville
on Jun 13, 2013 at 11:21 pm

Apparently, what I should have said was, "What a gaggle of PARANOID malcontents!"


Posted by Concerned and Fed Up - Danville Mom, a resident of Danville
on Jun 14, 2013 at 8:01 am

No, Sally, I do believe in teachers. I do believe in educating our youth, but I don't believe in unions. I don't believe in mob mentality and "group think." I don't believe in conformity and doing what you're told by a bunch of narrow-minded, uneducated bigots claiming to be so wonderful only to be brainwashing my children. I don't believe in giving teachers raises when their performance is so heartily lacking. Most high school graduates in America can't even read! I believe in the U.S. Constitution (although they don't teach it anymore in school – like cursive).

The Constitution clearly states that the rights of the group DO NOT override the rights of the individual. However, that's precisely what's taught in school – it goes against our very core as individuals. I believe it's this failure in the education system that is allowing us to fail and be divided as a nation. Enrollment forms in schools REQUIRE you to fill in your RACE. Why does that matter?

In America, we have mixed races and don't see color so that we don't have to check the race box, but you're required to check the box or they will call your child from their classroom and require a teacher visually inspect them so they can check the box and return the form to the government. It's crazy, but true! I just filed the paperwork and my heart sunk to my stomach after I checked the box. This is just another item causing division among us by our all-knowing, ever-so-right government of unnamed people working under their anonymous blanket collecting our personal data.

Here's a link:
Web Link (pat yourselves on the back for
this, oh brilliant educators)

Or… Web Link

Or… Web Link

After my child leaves your classroom, what have they learned?
What skills have they acquired?
How happy are they?

My children's happiness is one of the most important things to me and I believe learning is FUN. SCHOOL IS NOT FUN. It's work. It's painful. No matter how wonderful a teacher is, a student still sits in a tiny desk, in a 12 x 12 room, staring at the back of the kid's head in front of them… what a wonderful learning experience! So glad that nothing has changed over the decade I've been out of school. Plus, at the speed the curriculum gets updated at a State and Federal level, we're really setting our kids up for the future, huh?!

At school, you are taught to fit into their framework. You are taught to conform. I know – I went to school. It's the same whether it's private or public. Since I had my children, though, I have learned SO much. I have so many similarities with them and can truly relate to the challenges they're facing because I did too! However, the world looks a lot different from when I went to school.

Plus, what is this "ADD? " Give me a break! Children just want to run and play – of course they have a lot of energy! Take your kids to the park and let them run around, chase balls, climb structures… that should help to fix a lot of this "ADD" for a 6-hour lecture session when they're just kids...

When I went to school, they were teaching the same stuff they are today… and in the same fashion… Yikes!

My son is reading and has learned more spending 20 minutes a day working on Kumon exercises in Math and Reading for $240/month than he has at the $400/month I was paying for preschool… public school is just around the corner and he can be placed in a higher grade. I wish I could say that it's because he's brilliant… maybe ☺… but more likely, it's that Kumon works and there are better, more efficient, cheaper ways of teaching.

Right now, they teach to the LOWEST common denominator and I have always taught my boys that we deserve better than mediocrity – especially in education. We're paying for it!

You can't pull the wool over my eyes anymore. I'm not going to allow teachers and their unions to continue to lie to the public. Be honest. We can do a better job. The education system is broken – and has been for several generations, but it's tradition so any change, even slight, comes up against a lot of public discourse. ("they're taking our jobs" hysteria ensues).

Ask anyone, "Why do you go to school?" They'll answer: to get an education, or to get a good job… both equate to making money and the desire to succeed and be independent individuals. However, teachers can't teach this because they are glorified tax collectors, much like the police… All taxpayers are funding your lifestyle. Be considerate and polite – we're your customers, but we're certainly not treated that way…

When you were in school trying to decide what you were going to do with the rest of your life, if you didn't have a plan, what was your failsafe career? Hmm… Was it teacher?!

A mother is a teacher - the most influential in her child's life. I just wish every teacher was as sweet, brilliant, innovative, and fun as a lot of other MOMS I have met.

Look, teachers - this is your CAREER but these are my KIDS. I want the best in life for them and to ensure they are TAUGHT, that they LEARN the SKILLS required to start their OWN businesses. Anyone can work for someone else or a large company you certainly don't need a degree for that…

When a teacher gets a question in class that he/she doesn't know, assuming the child is allowed to speak, then how do you answer the questions?

Eucation Fan – Do you know what TCP/IP is?

The Internet has allowed the facts to spring forward when the teachers wanted to keep on the blinders. The greatest thing I ever did was continuing to read when I got out of school.

I guess I was one of the lucky few who actually graduated learning how to read… I have NEVER stopped learning. I did, however, stop listening to what the "teachers" said and found much of what was spouted was lies and opinions rather than facts... and now, I couldn't be happier. I have found my own way and it's become a path to enlightenment, learning, and happiness. I want only the best for my children. It's 2013. It's time to break the paradigm!


Posted by Mandy, a resident of Danville
on Jun 14, 2013 at 8:14 am

This was posted on June 12th: Posted by Sara, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2013 at 7:44 am: it's not just the teachers. SRVUSD gives all it's employees full health benifits for life. All employess also get pair to take the summer off. Who else do you know who receives such benifits.

This is so inaccurate!! SRVUSD does NOT give all it's employees full health benefits for life. Also, unless we take the Kaiser health plan, we pay a portion of our health care benefits and it's not cheap.
Also, all employees DON'T get the summer off. Many work year 'round, some are 11-month, some are 10 1/2 month, etc. We also DON'T get paid for the time we're off. So, we have to plan our finances accordingly.
Please, if you're going to post something, make sure you are posting accurate information.


Posted by C. R. Mudgeon, a resident of Danville
on Jun 14, 2013 at 11:54 am

TEACHER - I appreciate the honesty expressed in your post, several posts above. You sound like a dedicated teacher, one of many in our district.

As you noted, there are plenty of good, dedicated teachers in our district, and there are also poor teachers (same goes for the administrators, support staff, etc.). Unfortunately for the good teachers and other good school employees, the union demands that you be treated essentially identically as the bad ones. Like it or not, the union contract turns you into a commodity, and drives things to the lowest common denominator.

To a great extent, the union is a good deal for the lower performers, and not a good deal for the better performers. To the extent that the collective bargaining process and agreement protects loswer-performing teachers, and defines work rules, limits, etc., the rest of us (i.e., taxpayers, as well as parents) pretty much have to adopt the same attitude. Namely, that all teachers are basically the same, and are labor. If teachers want to be treated as professionals, they would need to change from union members (with collective bargaining), to more like a professional association.


Posted by Concerned and Fed Up - Danville Mom, a resident of Danville
on Jun 15, 2013 at 9:53 am

Since I've received no response from Mom of two posted June 13th, I'll assume you cannot answer my question: "Who gives you your rights?"

It's a very simple question and there are really only 2 options – government or God. You either have civil rights granted by government (which is taught in schools and has been for decades); or, you were born with rights that are a gift from God. I believe in the latter.

My children and my life are all blessings and I am grateful for the opportunity to teach my children to be responsible, polite, respectful, smart, charitable individuals and live my life free of judgment and condemnation by others. Unfortunately, school doesn't provide that learning experience because God is outlawed… When people have no purpose in their lives, they wander around lost souls always searching for happiness. There are far too many miserable people and I believe it started in our youth by the way previous generations were raising their kids and the way the education SYSTEM has been shaped. It's just NOT FUN to learn in this institution.

We need to appreciate the INDIVIDUAL. We are all equal, but NOT the same. Take the time to learn a child's name. My son just finished at a preschool he wears a pinned nametag on his back the whole school year. The teacher also never learned to spell his name correctly so every paper she wrote wasn't correct (makes me cringe). How can a child feel appreciated and valued as an individual if the institution and teacher instructing him isn't educated themselves and don't take the time to learn a child's name and the correct spelling? Or pronunciation? Where's the respect for our children?

BTW – Education Fan, the answer to my question to you: "What is TCP/IP?"

Answer: It's an acronym for Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol and is the IP addressing scheme used on most machines today. Machines are given an IP address to define themselves. When an email is sent, the sending PC is the source IP and the receiving PC is the destination IP. A routing protocol is used to route or transfer this data through the Internet (network) to take the quickest, most efficient route to the destination IP. Every machine on the Internet has a public IP address which is a 32-bit number defined by a string of 0s and 1s.

There are a lot of blanks in this explanation for average folks outside IT and the technologies fields. They don't understand the verbiage above, but to truly explain this, would require me to teach an old dog new tricks... I prefer to teach a puppy new tricks. They pick things up a lot faster than an old dog can... They've been "doin' this for 50 years and know what we're doin'." Ugh... Another quote - I couldn't make this stuff up! :)

Our children are so much more capable than we give them credit for. I don't want to pay for this system anymore. Privatizing education and putting the choice back in the parents hands is the right answer. Embrace technology. We can learn in a fraction of the time and cost, plus enjoy life more... Technology makes our lives easier. It's just complex and you have to read and study, practice and play to truly understand it.

On that, I will finish this post. If there are others in agreement, I would love to hear from you. I would hate to think that I'm alone in these feelings and observations. I'm a realist and believe it's time for a change. Are you with me? ☺


Posted by Education Fan, a resident of Danville
on Jun 15, 2013 at 11:09 pm

Someone please answer "Concerned and Fed-Up." She must be very lonely, because she is trying very hard to show everyone that she REALLY REALLY knows a lot...and...and...and...if someone would just pay listen to her, she could make education all better again.


Posted by Sally, a resident of Danville
on Jun 16, 2013 at 9:06 am

Education Fan,
I think readers started tuning out when she wrote about teachers having to visually inspect children so they could check races boxes.

But she's not the only one writing fiction here, as Teacher and Mandy have pointed out.


Posted by LOL!, a resident of Danville
on Jun 16, 2013 at 1:27 pm

Dear Concerned and Fed Up,

"The Constitution clearly states that the rights of the group DO NOT override the rights of the individual." No where does the US Constitution state this. The 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection of the law. And, we do teach the US Constitution in 5th, 8th, 10th, 11th and 12th grades. And as a government teacher, rights are derived from institutions. God doesn't grant anyone rights. He gives life and free will. Read the Federalist papers.

Preschool is a paid choice...if they didn't learn your kids name, find a new one. I have 170 students a day and I learn their names.

If you want a Christian education, there are great private, religious schools all along the 680 corridor, please find one.

Sincerely,
A teacher who is tired of people making assumptions about education.


Posted by LOL!, a resident of Danville
on Jun 16, 2013 at 1:28 pm

Wait-read the Federalist papers for the background on government granted rights...read the Bible for info on life and free will.


Posted by Concerned and Fed Up - Danville Mom, a resident of Danville
on Jun 17, 2013 at 7:04 am

I am not a liar. I am a realist. I am speaking out against the lies of the teachers and their self-interested, uneducated group of fellow union workers brainwashing our children and stealing from our people and future generations. Unions are bad!

There is nothing that is wrong or misinformed about my posts. Everything I posted is true which makes these personal bashings on me (a single individual) by the teachers grossly sickening and undeserved. This is the mob mentality. This is the teacher's union! Parents have no rights. Parents have no voice.

I just enrolled my child in SRVUSD and they made me fill in the form with the race check box. Don't believe me – go pick up a form! I couldn't make this stuff up!! Worst part - most moms I spoke to didn't even notice! My goodness! It's just too bad…

There are just too many people willing to hand over their rights too soon because they don't know them. Children aren't taught their rights. You teach the Constitution in 5th, 8th, 10th, 11th, and 12th grades?! Is that because you don't believe the children are capable of absorbing this information at a younger age? Why isn't this taught earlier? Why does it take 5 years to learn this? And when you say it's taught – do they have to recite their rights or do you just "review it in class?" Do the children leaving your classroom UNDERSTAND what their rights truly are or is it what YOU tell them they are?

You are in an extremely influential individual in my children's lives. What are you teaching them? The proper way of teaching the Constitution is that you are born with your rights. The government DOES NOT give them to you. I know it's not taught like that! I'm not an old person… I'm just an educated person who embraces technology, innovation, individuality, and POSITIVE change. Break the paradigm!

My theory - Why isn't this the first thing taught? Because the government and teachers don't want you to know your rights. How would they be able to maintain the current status quo and deliver a sub-par education to so many youth while getting pay raises and additional perks at the taxpayers expense?

So many people say, "If you don't like it then leave." That's not the right answer! The right answer is to stand up for yourself (even in the face of great adversity) and help others understand that we can do a better job. The right answer is to fix the problems we so readily identify – not throw more money at it or lie to each other saying everything is great when California took yet another nose dive in the national education ranking system.

Folks, if you've been paying attention, these teachers don't even know what's going on in the news. My goodness! We have the government spying on us, buying military grade bullets (by Social Security system and other government agencies), bans on guns being proposed, singling out of other political parties and individuals to feel the wrath of the Democratic party… but you tell me Americans understand their rights?! No way! I'm not buying your lies. The current world we're living in (reality) speaks to precisely where we're heading as a nation. If some folks don't stand up and try to unite with like-minded morals then we will soon become Syria. Obama is ready (and has) used drones to kill Americans. Plus, with the new bill they just passed last year, our due process rights are gone. The government just has to say that they suspect you as a "terrorist" and that's it. Americans have no more rights than anyone else. If anything our government is taking more away.

Teachers, it's time to respect parents. These are our kids. You aren't "earning" a living. The taxpayers (parents) pay you through the government. You're just another government employee - that's why political parties play such a dramatic role. This is a huge conflict of interest. You get to vote yourselves raises, much like other government employees. That's why we're at a point where taxes have to go up to fund your raises… This will continue until some brave folks are willing to unite and stand up for themselves and their children. I can be the first.

We are no longer taught that this is OUR government but THEIRS. I know. I went to school too and it hasn't changed. It's absolutely pathetic!

My children, sadly, are going to school because there aren't any alternatives. If I had my way, I'd enroll Kumon in every school ($240 is a great price and amazing results!). Then, I'd fire all teachers in the union and only hire the good ones with degrees and take continuing education classes, have a positive demeanor to encourage our children to learn and be happy, embrace technology, encourage individuals and individuality in a positive learning environment with lots and lots more time outside. Then, education wouldn't be funded FOREVER. I would pay for my own children's education (because I already do) and we can go the route of personal responsibility because these teachers aren't worth the money we're paying them right now.

As mentioned earlier, what skills are taught in your classrooms? What jobs are students qualified to have after they leave your instruction?


Posted by Conservator, a resident of Danville
on Jun 17, 2013 at 10:53 am

Surely I'll regret engaging in this entertaining discussion...

@C&FU-Danville Mom, two questions as it seems so promising that you'll offer your thoughts, all of them and then some.

1) Do you own stock in 'Kumon' and/or are you a compensated spokesperson for them? As a side note, if you're not, you should consider reaching out to them. I'm sure they would be intrigued by your candor and passionate referrals.

2) As characterized by James Madison, our 4th POTUS, the following amendment was considered the "great residuum" of rights which had not been "thrown into the hand of (the Federal) government". As ratified on December 15th, 1791, it amended our Constitution forever. You've stated routinely that very young children are ready to receive and fully understand all aspects of our revered Constitution.

Here's the 9th (as ratified): "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

You want to take a crack at explaining that to us old-folks in a manner that could be understood by the youngest students? Clearly, it's easier to teach the young then the cranky old-timers on this board. However, I'm sure that you'll give it your educated best.


Posted by LOL!, a resident of Danville
on Jun 17, 2013 at 12:52 pm

The US Constitution is taught in those grades because that's when the state says it has to be taught. What are your children doing while you type all of this stuff?


Posted by LOL!, a resident of Danville
on Jun 17, 2013 at 12:56 pm

I know this wasn't for me....but I thought I'd share....The 9th Amendment was included because Madison knew that all rights should not be specifically listed. He originally didn't even want the BOR because he thought that be enumerating them, you could be excluding them. Which is why the 9th was written. (He had 250 submissions and narrowed it to 12, only 10 were ratified initially). The SC has ruled that 9th creates a penumbra...an area of life in which the government ought not tread. This is a controversial ruling as it depends on who is in power as to where the government treads.


Posted by Conservator, a resident of Danville
on Jun 17, 2013 at 1:20 pm

@LOL!,

Excellent perspective on Madison's concerns and the historical accounting of what transpired to ultimately 'hatch' the 9th. However, I'm not sure even your diligent recollection answered my second question.

Whether I'm a retired constitutional lawyer or a witty indigent borrowing time on a library computer, either would presume that the concept of a Federal 'penumbra' - even if explained in very simple words - would conceptually be too much for the everyday grade schooler.

I'm also very curious to see some of the folks who read this stuff try their hand at interpreting, polished 18th-century writing. Perhaps 'Kumon' has a class for this?


Posted by Sally, a resident of Danville
on Jun 17, 2013 at 4:40 pm

C&FU, you called teachers "a bunch of narrow-minded, uneducated bigots claiming to be so wonderful only to be brainwashing my children," but then you complain about "personal bashings?" Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

I'm sorry you are so disappointed with the SRVUSD. But you are wrong - there are alternatives. You can move. You can apply for an interdistrict transfer. You can home school. Or instead of putting so much effort into posting here, you might get involved.

Best of luck to you.


Posted by Concerned and Fed Up - Danville Mom, a resident of Danville
on Jun 17, 2013 at 4:58 pm

LOL!, I type at over 80wpm. These posts only take a few minutes of my time and my children are lovers of the outdoors and explorers of Creation so when I'm working or trying to get some stuff done (even making comments), they're catching bugs and digging in the dirt. They're finding things outside and asking me questions. And because I don't have all the answers, I do have technology. I can answer their intriguing expert-level questions with accuracy and factual record.

LOL!, your demeaning comments will not bring me down. My children are amazing and I thank God every day that I can spend time with them and get to know them – who they are, what they like, what interests them, and how I can help them find their talents and eventually learn to make money doing it. I am 100% committed to my role as mother, teacher, wife, and daughter. I live to bring about positive change and hope to make positive impacts that will make the lives of everyone better. I'm not trying to attack the teachers, but… let's be honest… These lies just aren't working for me anymore and I've heard them for so long…

LOL!, you are absolutely right about the 9th amendment. The 9th amendment was created because Madison knew that all rights should not be listed. He feared that by listing them (or enumerating) that we would be bound by them. Therefore, he wrote the 9th amendment. This is where our freedom should come from and break free from our government's constraints.

The 9th amendment states that anything not explicitly stated is implicitly permitted. Therefore, as Americans, we have the right to do as we'd like (as long as we don't hurt other people). However, that's not how the 9th amendment is taught in school… The 9th Amendment and Declaration of Independence were created to give our people freedom from large government so that the majority NEVER overrides the rights of the individual.

HOWEVER, we are being taught that we're all the same. We're not. We're equal, but not the same. We are individuals. As such, Madison, being a faithful believer in Creation and the good in humanity feared that power and corruption would lead to greater government rule and control. Look now – government is in everything. EVERYTHING! Income taxes, property taxes, social security, Medicare, ObamaCare, banks, real estate (illegal to sell flat-rate real estate in California – nice, huh?!), death taxes, education system, police force, military, business (GMC, Solara, etc), EPA, etc. It's out of control! Pay attention, people! This is our future, our children's futures, our grandchildren's futures.

Schools leave out God. Therefore, we are taught that the government gives us our rights. The truth is, though, if you can dream then you can do it! You need to believe in yourself. I doubt most kids graduating high school have any self esteem (if they graduate). The schools just crush your spirit and tell you how to think. It's time to think for yourselves. I think LOL! Stated it perfectly when she wrote, "The US Constitution is taught in those grades because that's when the state says it has to be taught."
That's exactly the problem! I'm tired of being told what to do! I'm tired of being told that I don't know what I'm doing or that I have to do things your way. No, I don't. The government is wrong. Teachers are wrong. Parent are right.

I want to challenge parents to break out of the paradigm. If you could re-shape education, how would you do it? More time in school? More teachers? Higher salaries? What do you want from your child's education experience? The memories they take with them to adulthood? Do you, too, fall under the mentality that "If it's good enough for me, then it's good enough for them?" My vision is more time outdoors. Teach science, math, and reading. Build relationships and socialize children in a positive environment that nourishes their individual talents rather than teaching them to confirm.

BTW – No, I receive no financial benefit nor do I own a franchise for Kumon. I am just profoundly amazed at the curriculum and the speed at which my child can absorb this information. If my son can learn to read in just 30 minutes each day, then this is a program worth implementing. I just figured for parents that didn't know what it was or were frustrated with the system that they too could subsidize their child's education with an individualized curriculum and attention to ensure they don't get lost in the crowd.

Kumon only teaches math and reading so I will need to teach my children science, government, art, music, technology, etc to ensure they have the necessary skills to be successful. Plus, when my kids go to Kumon, I know they're being taught and not brainwashed. I can see the positive results.


Posted by Sally, a resident of Danville
on Jun 17, 2013 at 5:24 pm

CFU wrote: " The government is wrong. Teachers are wrong. Parent are right"

Wait, what about parents who are teachers? What if one parent is a government worker and one is a teacher? Oh, but didn't you say those are the same thing? If a teacher is also a parent is he/she wrong at school as a teacher, but right as soon as he/she gets home? What if a parent LOVES SRVUSD? What if a parent works for the government and loves SRVUSD and Kumon????? What if the parent works for Kumon, but sends his kids to SRVUSD and thinks the government rocks? What if a parent works in a tech field, loves Kumon, hates SRVUSD, thinks parents are right, teachers are wrong, and the government is wrong, but is a DEMOCRAT? Is that parent wrong? What if he secretly enjoys checking the race box?????


Posted by Education Fan, a resident of Danville
on Jun 17, 2013 at 11:17 pm

Don't confuse CFU with ambiguities or subtleties. To her, the world is only black or white, right or wrong.

It's so much easier that way.


Posted by Concerned and Fed Up - Danville Mom, a resident of Danville
on Jun 18, 2013 at 7:45 am

Sally, I understand your confusion. Let me help you. My words only sound harsh because you can't hear the tone in my voice. Parents are amazing. Parents as teachers are amazing. Parents who spend time with their kids - playing, teaching, loving, etc. - are amazing.

However, how are those children treated when their parent is the teacher? Do they get preferential treatment? Does every teacher know that child's name? What about those children that don't have a representative parent in the teacher's union? How are they treated in comparison?

As a teacher, can you actually say that you're HAPPY with the SYSTEM? Is this really the best we can do? Have you forgotten how things looked when you were little and in school? The anxiety? The confusion? The boredom?

The issue now is that we're in 2013. LOGIC tells you this is wrong. Teacher UNIONS have too much power and control. The folks dictating the curriculum have never owned a business and don't understand the economy. My goodness, Bill Huong is an ex-convict for crying out loud! He was the last guy in charge before Dr. Michael Kirst. Just look at the people deciding what they think YOUR child should be taught.

Unfortunately, LOGIC isn't taught. School is about memorization and conforming. I want better for my children, but I'm frustrated because as much money as I'm spending on public school or private school - it's still the same. Worse, yet - the curriculum is also still the same as when I went to school over 15+ years ago. Unfortunately, at this point, school is just tradition and teachers/unions/government are brainwashing our youth (as I was) into believing that you HAVE to go to school to be successful. If anything, I believe school is a waste of time, but education and learning is imperative to an INDIVIDUAL's success.

Do you see the parallel yet? School doesn't teach. Our education SYSTEM is failing. I'm just a realist. I don't lie. I am a concerned and fed up mom who wants better for my babies – I'm paying for it! So,… $240 vs. $8,000+…. It really is black and white. Plus, I don't have to hear about the ideologies and opinions of my children's teachers being spouted back into my ear.

Now, the idea with the CCC is that the curriculum deciders studied the material taught in college and then went backwards through high school and elementary school. That's right, BACKWARDS! We're rolling this out in the next 2 years, but it's not even pertinent to the real world.

I went to school and dropped out of college. I've made a good living in technology and wasn't waiting for a rich husband to take care of me forever with an MRS. Degree. However, now, I'm struggling because I'm starting my own business, but guess what? Those 12+ years I went to school didn't prepare me for life or making money or acquiring the skills to be successful.

So again I propose the question that STILL no one has answered. This is a very important question, so I will post it again:


What skills are taught in the classrooms? What jobs are students qualified to have after they leave school?


Education Fan, yes. I do only see things in black and white because there is a right/wrong answer. Our education SYSTEM is wrong. The government SYSTEM is wrong. Government is about division and control - race, sex, age, income, etc.- all of this gets reported to them.

Parents have no say in what is being taught. Our children spend over 6 hours in a classroom EVERY DAY for almost 10 months. That's right – 12 x 12 room, small desks, being lectured at for over 6 hours/day (and you thought work was bad!)… I don't want to pay for that! It's soul crushing and demeaning! That's not what LIFE is about! That's not what EDUCATION is about!

Is this really the best we can do at over $8,000 per pupil spending?! That's really my point – not teacher bashing or union bashing. Kumon doesn't stack rank my child nationally or in his class to tell him that he's below average, average, or above average. My child is taught math and reading – that's it. Fast and efficient. Our children are so much more capable than we give them credit for.


Posted by Ling Ding, a resident of Alamo
on Jun 18, 2013 at 8:43 am

Schooling is supposed to give students problem solving skills, critical thinking capabilities, theoretical background and capacity apply those learnings to real world issues.

CFU - you are talking about technical colleges where you get trained to be say a mechanic, plumber, etc.

I want my children to aim much higher though.


Posted by Sally, a resident of Danville
on Jun 18, 2013 at 1:17 pm

CFU,
I wasn't confused. I was joking.

Take a breather.


Posted by CFU, a resident of Danville
on Jun 18, 2013 at 4:54 pm

Ling Ding – The way you describe it, school sounds like a great thing. However, what school is supposed to do and what it ACTUALLY does aren't the same things... It's really sad... Technical colleges are available to those folks who've been disillusioned by the school system, but understand that they need skills to get jobs.

However, I'm talking about more than that. I never went to a technical college. I studied on my own, worked really hard, and sacrificed to ensure my personal success and made my way in the IT/technology world.

Unfortunately, when you leave school after over a decade of being in it day in and day out you aren't prepared for the real world. You're not prepared for anything!

In all honesty, there are a huge amount of parallels between the PRISON system and the SCHOOL system. Both are government systems… Let's see:

- teachers vs. guards
- principals vs wardens
- desk vs cell
- classroom vs jailhouse
- serving 15+ years
- few minutes outdoors in a fenced area to exercise
- prepared meals
- dumbfounded upon leaving

What skills do you acquire when you're done?

What jobs are students qualified to have after they leave school?


Posted by Conservator, a resident of Danville
on Jun 18, 2013 at 5:23 pm

@CFU,

Is it your expectation that within a 21st Century global economy that the typical 18-year old individual with around 12 years of primary and secondary education is ready to contribute at a high-level to society? If so, you are surely in a minority opinion.

Forgive me but you are either living within an Amish-state of mind or you have been watching too many 'Dougie Howser, MD' re-runs. Even the exceptionally gifted in society take time to maturate. Formal education is simply society's best vehicle to afford our young people the time to do so. It's delusional to think otherwise.


Posted by Education Fan, a resident of Danville
on Jun 18, 2013 at 5:59 pm

@CFU: You must be living in the bubble of your own mind. 12 x 12 classrooms? Really? In what world? Surely not Danville.

And it doesn't sound like you have made any attempt to understand the new Core Curriculum, in which the emphasis is exactly the opposite of rote memorization.

Rather than gushing effusively about every thought that crosses your mind, please take a breath and then base your points on actual facts.


Posted by Education Fan, a resident of Danville
on Jun 18, 2013 at 5:59 pm

@CFU: You must be living in the bubble of your own mind. 12 x 12 classrooms? Really? In what world? Surely not Danville.

And it doesn't sound like you have made any attempt to understand the new Core Curriculum, in which the emphasis is exactly the opposite of rote memorization.

Rather than gushing effusively about every thought that crosses your mind, please take a breath and then base your points on actual facts.


Posted by CFU, a resident of Danville
on Jun 19, 2013 at 7:39 am

No, Conservator. My idea is to educate my children young and quickly. My plan is to get my children out of the government school system as fast as possible before the teachers can corrupt my children's thoughts any further with their mindless dribble and socialist agenda. Their bias is corrupting our youth and is the result of the world we're seeing now. I wouldn't be speaking up now if it wasn't for MY children. I have a vested interest and concern. I see the writing on the wall and can tell you what will happen over the next decade if we continue down this path. My opinion now – if you're note a part of the solution then you're part of the problem.

Education (reading, writing), logic, and language are the few things separating humans from animals. In all actuality, as mammals, we are animals – that's why the government laws are so important to everyone.

As a parent, I believe it is MY responsibility to educate my children. I see the looks on their faces as they enter and leave the classroom – the tears, the anxiety, the fear… all emotions I had when I went to school too. Yuck! I believe school is only tradition now and brainwashing from the socialist teachers aren't educating our children. A lot of teachers I've met are just glorified babysitters living off the SYSTEM.

Since I don't know EVERYTHING, it would have been nice to have educated teachers to ensure my children graduate with the necessary skills to be successful, open a business, enjoy life, etc. Unfortunately, the folks I have met aren't smart enough to teach anyone! The last time they (generalized) took an educational course or training was…? The curriculum hasn't been updated in years!

Now, with CCC, it will be another 2 years before implementation (which is backwards, anyway). The "new" CCC is just another way to teach less. I'm still surprised that cursive is out! Not sure when they STOPPED teaching that… I guess that will be one advantage my children will have over others. I will be teaching them to read/write cursive so they can develop their own handwriting and signature when it comes that time and decode cursive writing, as necessary. It sounds like that will be one skill that may become important depending on how primitive we fall due to the lack of education for the masses…

Now, with my children, I see the looks on their faces as they enter and leave the classroom – the tears, the anxiety, the fear… all emotions I had when I had to return to school too. Yuck! I believe school is tradition now and nothing of true value is actually taught. I want my children having happiness and enjoyable experiences in life.





Education Fan, I have done thorough research on the new Common Core Curriculum. As a matter of fact, it sounds like YOU could use some additional info because everything I said is FACTUAL. The below links are videos, so no need to read…

Web Link

Web Link

Plus, Dr. Kirst talks slow enough I think you should be able to follow along… There's always the reverse button if it needs repeating… Hey! Maybe teachers become outsourced by technology? Learning by videos rather than watched by stand-in babysitters? Hmmm…. Sure would save A LOT of $$$.

School has become tradition and not an institution for learning as it should be…. or even better – COULD BE. As stated in my previous posts, you can't really get any more black/white than the $240 vs. $8,000+ argument, can you? And now an additional 4% raise?! For what?! I want my money back!

I've seen a lot of justification for this salary increase, but why? It's not based on PERFORMANCE. And it's certainly not based on MERIT.


Posted by Conservator, a resident of Danville
on Jun 19, 2013 at 8:56 am

@CFU,

You have consistently rambled on about the failing of the contemporary education system, public or private, for yourself and your apparent expectations for your children.

Can you tell me how you 'know' the system fails ALL who enter and exit it's hallowed halls?

Can you really be so sure that it was not operator error on your behalf that begot your tarnished experience?

In terms of your desire to see a 21st century, high-tech, fully outsourced, online learning experience, try www.udacity.com. It's free and might even be on an intellectual par with the local tutoring service you've peddled continuously. To be clear, I did indicate 'might'.

Be careful though. Given your self-proclaimed leanings and perceived societal ailments, you should realize that Udacity was created by those (Stanford professoriate) who did very well in their scholastic days, whether or not their instructor knew their name or not.

Regardless, good-luck with that approach to the big-picture of life you've offered.


Posted by Education Fan, a resident of Danville
on Jun 19, 2013 at 10:08 am

CFU must also be saving money on the cable bill, with only one channel on all the time. And we know which one that is, don't we?


Posted by Danville Independent, a resident of San Ramon Valley High School
on Jun 19, 2013 at 10:23 am

I have been amused at these postings (as I usually am!), and I'd certainly like to NOT fall into the cesspool,..but sometimes I just have to yell "Cannonball!"...and jump in!

We have raised two children, one just graduated (with honors) from college, and the other is a sophomore in an out-of-state institution, and is doing quite well. Both went through all 12 years of SRVUSD schools, and dare I say it?...they are well-adjusted, well-informed, and focused on what they desire, and what direction in life they both want to proceed in life. Their education in this school district was, in my humble words: TOPS! Now mind you, I'd like to think that my wife and I also played a big part in their academic progress, playing an intricate part every step of the way (but that should be expected from any parent, no?). The schools can only do so much, but it has been our experience that the educators in our district go above and beyond in teaching our children - I'm not just talking the basics, but also personal responsibility and accountability. The educators in this district certainly did NOT fail our children!...and for that, we give the teachers we've been associated with throughout the years our sincere thanks!

I say to CFU, if you're truly NOT happy with the status quo in our district, get off your rusty-dusty (as my father used to say!), and make your own course for your children: as others have mentioned - there are alternatives (but if you think you'll find a school district better than ours easily, I wish you luck!)

Now,...that being said: Let's talk about unions! Please don't confuse Public-employee unions vs private-industry unions: I agree with you that the public unions in our society (and their commitments) are way out of balance, but the slow demise of Private Unions has paralleled the decline of our (once strong) middle class. Not ALL unions are the same, young lady.

My opinion -thanks for listening!


Posted by Jim, a resident of Danville
on Jun 20, 2013 at 7:10 pm

To concerned and fed up, if you put as much effort into working as a volunteer for the school district as you do in your mindless ranting and garble, you just might be able appreciate how much teachers really do. As the old saying goes, "PUT UP OR SHUT UP"


Posted by CFU, a resident of Danville
on Jun 22, 2013 at 7:05 am

Jim, I have. That's why I can't shut up anymore. You folks don't care because you don't have children being corrupted by the SYSTEM or, as stated before, you fall into the: "If it was good enough for me, then it's good enough for them" mentality. As I mentioned before, if you're not part of the SOLUTION then you're part of the PROBLEM.

I posted over and over the same question and yet NO ONE can respond:

What skills do you acquire when you're done?
What jobs are students qualified to have after they leave school?

There are far too many parallels between the SCHOOL and PRISON SYSTEMS. Parents have NO rights - only the teachers, principals, and GOVERNMENT.

Raises and salaries for teachers are NOT based on MERIT.

I've watched the educational quality of later generations fall greater than when I went to school! (Didn't know it was possible…) But, we're actually getting DUMBER and paying the teachers MORE for it. Where's the LOGIC in that? I know, I know. Logic isn't taught, let alone mentioned, in school.

Therefore, the dumber the folks are paying the teachers, then the teachers and their unions can continue to rob us blind and brainwash our children saying, "We work so hard…" (*sob*) Where's my raise? (*sob*) Where's my end of year gifts from my students to show their appreciation? (*sob*) Where's the appreciation for all my…? (*sob*)

Give me a break! Parents are the MOST important people and they should be treated as such. Parents should be respected and listened to, especially by teachers and administrators. We're paying the bills! Parents comments and concerns should be heeded. We're paying your salaries. The worst part – you're not TEACHING!

I'm not going to let you experiment on my children. CCC is just more of the same and the GOVERNMENT/UNION bureaucrats are enforcing their agendas on OUR children. It's just more of the same and it's SO EXPENSIVE.

Parents, at over $8,000+ per pupil spending that we're paying these "teachers" for them to spout of lies and opinions rather than TEACH. You can't LIE about the FACTS. California is by far among the WORST in education. The way we rate schools is similar to the way that we rate unemployment...

Let's see, SRVUSD likes to brag that we have the highest API and is among the best school districts in California. My view – "In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."

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The rankings of the school district don't mean much if you're not prepared for life when you leave school and you don't have the necessary skills to be successful in this highly competitive market… quickly becoming a global market… with the most important, highly technical skills being outsourced over seas…


Posted by Education Fan, a resident of Danville
on Jun 22, 2013 at 11:24 am

Long on rant; short on (really, devoid of) facts. Just generalities about teachers teaching "opinions."


Posted by Sally, a resident of Danville
on Jun 23, 2013 at 9:24 am

SFU....er....CFU,
On behalf of the thousands of hard working students who have graduated from SRVUSD schools in recent years, who are now working equally hard in their jobs, community colleges, trade schools, universities, and other endeavors, I just want to say that you are just plain WRONG. Just WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. Our district may have flaws, but it also employs many outstanding educators - fine people who've devoted their lives (yes, including many unpaid hours) to educating our children - and frankly, I'm sick to death of your ranting (and the ranting of others in this community). Nothing you're saying here is constructive in any way whatsoever. Why don't you get off your computer and go out and do some good in the world? Seriously - you could start by volunteering in your schools.


Posted by Still waiting, a resident of Danville
on Jun 24, 2013 at 7:48 am

I have to chuckle a bit at the 'skills' CFU believes our kids should have coming out of elementary school let alone high school. They should be prepared to start businesses and compete in global economies? And let's not even go into the cognitive dissonance created by suggesting they should be tech savvy but also learn cursive. Cursive? Really? In the high tech age where the only time most people pick up a pen is to sign their names to a check, why is it a high priority for kids to learn cursive?

I'm sure her children's summer lemonade stand was a smashing success, given her rigorous teachings on entrepreneurial startups. Did they have their first public offering yet?

I have to agree that other than vague unsubstantiated claims of 'checking race boxes' '12x12 classroom (absurd)' 'teachers teaching opinions' there is not a lot of meat to the trolling going on.

When it is suggested you homeschool, you say you don't want to do it since you are already paying for public school. That sounds like a specious argument.

What my armchair diagnosis tells me is that you had a bad experience in school, you are expecting the same bad experience for your children and you are interpreting anything that happens through the lens of your experience.

When you have an actual factual argument to make, please do. When you can say, "XYZ happened in my child's classroom at X school, and I did XXYZ to resolve it and nothing happened" then I will be more inclined to listen. Until then, you are merely trolling this board.


Posted by Elisabeth, a resident of San Ramon Valley High School
on Jul 10, 2013 at 12:20 pm

In response to Sara -

1. SRVUSD members do not receive health insurance benefits for life. Coverage ends upon retirement. During employment, PPO insurance is not fully covered. The teacher pays part of the coverage.

2. Teachers are not paid any salary for the month of July.


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