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Board of Supervisors respond to draft Plan Bay Area concept

Original post made on May 22, 2013

Contra Costa County's Board of Supervisors believe the draft Plan Bay Area is a good first step in setting regional goals to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, according to a letter addressed to the Association of Bay Area Governments and the Metropolitan Transportation Commission. The plan could, however, use stronger language about local control and focus more on unincorporated areas.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, May 21, 2013, 4:19 PM


Posted by Janet Farnett, a resident of Walnut Creek
on May 22, 2013 at 7:08 am

This plan will destroy local control! These County Supervisors are delusional to think that an unelected regional board will that is receiving almost $300 Billion dollars in Federal Grant money will not be dictating what will be built and where. Candace Andersen is a bobble headed dip stick! We need real leaders in this County.

This plan will completely change the Bay Area into stackem and packem slums everywhere. Good job. Stupes!

Posted by Glenn Barry, a resident of San Ramon
on May 22, 2013 at 8:11 am

Wake up, people----- this is a progressive AGENDA that is grabbing our freedoms.

Posted by Frank, a resident of Danville
on May 22, 2013 at 8:49 am

Once again local control is being destroyed by an unelected regional board will that is receiving almost $300 Billion dollars in Federal Grant money.

We need to stop this crazy idea regional boards know what is best for our local neighborhoods.

Posted by Steve Karkula, a resident of Danville
on May 22, 2013 at 9:19 am

It is totally fatuous to argue that we will achieve lower Green House Gases (GHG) by building thousands of low income residences. This is a ruse to usurp local control and destroy the quality of life we worked so hard for. If the ultimate objective is to reduce GHG why aren't we talking about converting automobiles to run on natural gas?

Posted by disgusted, a resident of Danville
on May 22, 2013 at 10:06 am

Danville's Town Council claims to support efforts to lower GHG and passes the ridiculous "Sustainable Action Plan" for Danville. Then, three months later, the ever-clever Council is about to approve the disastrous SummerHill Homes proposal for 66+ more homes in the highly-congested Diablo Road corridor, far from schools, shops, and jobs. The project will add 900+ gas-guzzling, pollution=spouting cars to Diablo Road, creating every-longer back-ups and more accidents.

The Planning Commissioners just approved the project 5-1, saying it was a "good project"! Readers, please stop this hypocrisy and come to the Town Council meeting. Oh, and let's invite David Early, the author of the Plan Bay Area and, through his consulting firm DCE, Danville's own SAP. Hmmm, wonder what Early will say about the SummerHill project.

Posted by RECALL NOW, a resident of Danville
on May 22, 2013 at 10:15 am

Why hasn't Danville sent comments on Plan Bay Area?? Because they fully support the Plan and don't want to "make waves" with the powers that be. After all, the Mayor is running for State Assembly and does not want to make any enemies with the liberal Bay Area establishment.

Geoff Gillette, I know you troll this website----please answer the question: WHY HASN'T DANVILLE'S TOWN COUNCIL SENT COMMENTS AGAINST PLAN BAY AREA?? IT WILL RUIN DANVILLE IF IMPLEMENTED AS IT IS.

Posted by C. R. Mudgeon, a resident of Danville
on May 22, 2013 at 10:37 am

Anyone know what ABAG's actual budget is (and/or the amount of federal grant funding that ABAG receives)?

I generally agree that it's a waste of money. But at the same time, there's no way that it's $300 billion, as implied or stated in some of the above posts. Think about it for a second. The entire Defense Dept. budget for the United States is roughly $500 billion.

Someone has added a few zeroes somewhere.... (I don't think it is nearly as high as $300 Million, either.)

Posted by Pete, a resident of Danville
on May 22, 2013 at 2:28 pm

This is a travesty and a gross overstep of a local governmental agency simply looking to line their pockets with Federal and State pork. These governmental entities are taking away property rights of citizens and people had better wake up and put these bureaucrats back in their place.

Posted by guynextdoor, a resident of Danville
on May 22, 2013 at 3:37 pm

It's the relentless onslaught of U.N. Agenda 21. Listen to the dialog; our representatives trying to figure out how to impose on us the recommendations of some unknown, unelected bureaucrats. They've heard the voices of the people but they continue to ignore them. We need to get out of ABAG and maintain the 2/3 supermajority. Any regional board should be populated with locally elected city council members and county supervisors not unelected bureaucrats. It has been incontrovetibly proven that there is no anthropogenic global warning. The EPA and CARB and resulting high costs have gone too far in suppressing our economy and personal prosperity. There is no need for any of this.

Posted by Dag Hammer, a resident of another community
on May 22, 2013 at 4:05 pm

CurMudge: you, sir, are about all that stands between me and the conclusion that the Righties who post here are Certifiable. A quick googling reveals that the ABAG budget is $24.5M, and that Danville's dues are ... {wait for it} ... $8,334 (up from $8,118 last year!). 2/3 of its budget come from federal and state sources (none seems to come from the United Nations). Web Link

All this dark clucking about Agenda 21 Web Link is just so much nonsense by a few Chickens Little. ABAG is a voluntary organization, and everything about A21 is voluntary and advisory -- these are the rantings of a paranoid few. Now, perhaps The Paranoid have actual enemies, but neither ABAG nor the UN should be on that list.

Posted by Len Ferrin, a resident of Danville
on May 22, 2013 at 9:42 pm

Interesting that Danville has opted for this approach. I thought the community was a little more astute. Agenda 21 has also been the source of controversy in adopting the Plumas County general plan and has raised big concerns and strong opposition.
Essentially it's a cookie cutter approach to lazy government being pushed by those who do not understand the philosophical implications. Agenda 21 is neatly disguised as an environmental management system (a good thing, right?), but, really it is an attempt to impose a global quasi-government administered by the United Nations. I'm sorry, the utopian world of Star Trek with a Federation of Planets living in harmony save invasion by the Borg is science fiction.
Under Agenda 21 all central government and local authority signatories must strictly conform to a common prescribed standard. This is just socialism rebranded and those do-gooders do not seem to understand the philosophy of what they are doing are using it as a template. While it may not happen overnight or even in the next decade, the philosophy of Agenda 21 and these Sustainable Action Plans advocate a complete transformation of society through wealth and land distribution, bureaucratic control over resources, abolition of private property rights, and the redeployment of human and financial resources.
In Plumas County it triggered an alarm among ranchers, where in the Bay Area, it seems like it's triggered alarms over communities concerned about mandated low-income housing density that will stretch local tax resources. I'd vote in favor of any town bugging out of ABAG. Personally, I wish Plumas County could separate from California and be annexed by even Idaho since we're being screwed by a fire tax for services we do not get, may see our local hospital go under thanks to Jerry Brown and ObamaCare, and have seen a number of businesses go under or stall in development because of ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) lawsuits and compliant.
With a Super Majority in Sacramento the future looks pretty grim in California unless people start to wake up.

Posted by Dag Hammer, a resident of another community
on May 22, 2013 at 10:34 pm

Read Agenda 21, folks -- it does sweet fark-all Nothing of the sort.

As for Plumas County, it's in the empty corner of our fair state, with a Total population less than half Danville's:

Area: 2,613 sq miles (6,768 kmē)
Founded: 1854
Population: 19,765 (2011)
Unemployment rate: 16.1% (Mar 2013)
County seat: Quincy

This notion that every town is an island cut off from its surroundings is hooey. Of COURSE we need to coordinate, to work together, to solve our common problems, voluntarily. Tea Party extremism simply does not help.

Posted by TRK, a resident of Danville
on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 pm

I just bought my first home here in Danville and I have never been involved with local government... but this is frightening. I mean, I naively assumed that the residents of a town should have say with what goes on that will affect their town.... I am off the charts disgusted with how they have been operating without transparency... I talk to folks all over town and they had NO idea.

That's just not right. Whether you agree or disagree with their plans, we can ALL agree that we have the RIGHT to have the control as residents... I mean, last I checked we were in America, not communist China, right?

Posted by Bill, a resident of Danville
on May 27, 2013 at 7:25 am

The majority of the comments on this subject are just amazing. Agenda 21, black helicopters, conspiracies to take away your freedoms. The idea that any quasi governmental organization could be so cleaver as to actually plan something of this magnitude is what is funny. These bureaucracies that can barely find their backsides with both hands are now given the ability to plan some vast conspiracy to take you under their control for what purpose? To mesmerize you so some grand poopa can control your thoughts? Sounds like tinfoil hats were on sale someplace.

Posted by Citizen Paine, a resident of Danville
on May 27, 2013 at 9:03 am

Right on, Bill

This was commented in the SR Express, and deserves to be repeated:

Posted by Mr. Map, a resident of Blackhawk, on May 22, 2013 at 3:55 pm

At a recent Plan Bay Area open house in Napa, the panelists personally addressed the concerns of misinformed or otherwise irate citizens. Nearly all of their hysteria was based on limited knowledge of the plan, its finances, and local/regional control. I was happy to see that many of the folks who had come in opposing the plan left the meeting with a better understanding of the plan, and, even if they still oppose it, at least their opinions are fact-based.

Others, like Heather Gass, seem to be uninterested in the truth, as she'd rather be a star among her minions in the waning tea part sphere of influence. Same for Cheryl "Rosa" Koire and other "Agenda 21" theorists.

Like they say: "Never allow the facts to derail a good rant!"


Posted by Tom, a resident of Danville
on May 28, 2013 at 6:34 am

But those rants are real. I saw it with my own eyes yesterday morning! At 6;30am UN agents rode in on a dozen or so balloons to take over Danvile. It was the scariest thing I have ever seen and proof that Agenda 21 is here to stay and now the UN will be controlling everything in the Tri Valley. Their first act was to close all major stores (including Costco) and force all proprietors to sell all their goods in a closely monitored market in San Ramon's Central Park. Police and town officials were everywhere.

In fact I hear they are next going to have this collectivist market in Danville in about 3 weeks.

The horror, the horror

Posted by Louise, a resident of Danville
on May 28, 2013 at 9:07 am

Those who think that there is no basis or fact in the so-called conspiracy theories are delusional as well. There is a movement in this country to take away the rights and freedoms that we once had. When government of any kind starts telling you how to spend your money (obligatory health insurance)and tells you how and what to eat, etc., then it is a slippery slope. Maybe they are not flying in on helicopters as one idealist satiricaly posted, but they certainly are inflitrating all areas of government and changing the way people think. Just remember the new mantra, government wants to solve all your problems.

Posted by Citizen Paine, a resident of Danville
on May 28, 2013 at 9:34 am

What's the frequency, Louise?

Posted by C. R. Mudgeon, a resident of Danville
on May 28, 2013 at 9:49 am

I'm with Louise on this one. My earlier post that questioned a ridiculous statement about ABAG's budget, was made in the spirit of wanting everyone (both "sides", if you will) to get their facts straight.

I agree that many of the most-vocal opponents of Plan Bay Area have some far-fetched ideas on the level of "conspiracy" involved, etc. So I urge opponents of the plan to stick to the specific aspects of the plan that they disagree with, rather than using the hyperbole that leaves them open to ridicule.

At the same time, I believe it IS true that the authors of the plan, and many of ABAG's employees and staff, are of the same general mindset, and therefore believe that we all need to:

- use mass transit
- live in small, clustered dwellings near transit "hubs"
- limit property size, house size, water usage, and energy usage

Further, that many of the plan creators and ABAG staff are also of the mindset that supports various other "utopian" ideals such as:

- redistribution of wealth and income
- carbon taxes as a means to limit energy production, and indirectly, usage
- private ownership and usage of property must be limited

There ARE legitimate slippery-slope concerns with Plan Bay Area, even if much of it is fairly innocuous (for now), and expressed as being largely voluntary (for now).

Posted by Julia, a resident of Alamo
on May 28, 2013 at 10:40 am

@Louise, CR Mudgeon
I feel really sorry for family, friends, co-workers who have to put up with your nonsense.

Thanks for listening.

Julia Pardini from beautiful Alamo

Posted by C. R. Mudgeon, a resident of Danville
on May 29, 2013 at 9:47 am

Ah, another little gem from Julia, full of reasoned, cogent discussion.....

I'm not sure what exactly you thought was nonsense in my post, but I did get a nice chuckle from your heartfelt (no doubt) "Thanks for listening" tagline.

The thing is, I don't really listen to gratuitous insults.

Posted by local resident, a resident of Danville
on May 29, 2013 at 9:54 am

Wake up, folks! Don't you realize that most of the local furor over the Danville 2030 General Plan was because of ABAG's mandates that Danville redesignate land for high density residential use? Danville's Town Council has bought Plan Bay Area hook, line, and sinker. ABAG has been gradually usurping control from local communities like Danville for decades, and Plan Bay Area is ABAG's boldest power grab to date. Danville needs a totally new Town Council, one that will stand up and fight for local control, not kowtow to ABAG and the developers that stand to make big bucks from building high density housing on land that we would never want to have it.

And by the way, commenters should focus on issues and stop labeling those that would questions Plan Bay Area. When commenters resort to labels, it is a clear sign that they have weak arguments for their positions.

Posted by Dave, a resident of Danville
on May 29, 2013 at 10:03 pm

But, unfortunately, reasoned discussion of the real issues involved in local development projects gets swamped by the hysterical rankings of the (very voacl) global conspiracy theorists.

Posted by local resident, a resident of Danville
on May 30, 2013 at 8:22 am

@Dave: If you actually do the research---and I have---the goals of Plan Bay Area are the same as the ones espoused in the UN Agenda for the 21st century, i.e. "Agenda 21". And yes, Dave, the ABAG folks are planning to wrest control from local governments like Danville in pursuit of ABAG's goal to make high-density housing the norm throughout the Bay Area. Suburban idylls like Danville are anathema to the ABAG planners and their counterparts throughout other levels of government; Danville embodies everything they hate: a community with primarily large homes surrounded by green OPEN space actually OWNED by individuals. ABAG bureaucrats, Save Mt. Diablo bureaucrats, and Greenbelt Alliance bureaucrats want us to live in stack and pack, and they get to control all of the open space. The OPEN SPACE that is most important to most people is the open space in their own backyards.

Posted by Citizen Paine, a resident of Danville
on May 30, 2013 at 8:51 am

I have a few rules that serve me well.

Any time a politician says "Look, ..." they are about to tell a lie. And any time a poster writes "Wake up ...!" they are, well, nuts. Local resident's stuff is just off-the-charts paranoid crazy. All wild contention and no support.

For example, please present actual evidence that ABAG, a voluntary, inter-governmental coordination mechanism with no power or authority, is "planning to wrest control from local governments like Danville."

I'm all for reasoned discussion of the issues, but these delusional charges are not part of that process. Sometimes you've just got to call crazy what it is.

Posted by Tom, a resident of Danville
on May 31, 2013 at 6:46 am

And yes "local resident" Please provide names of the ABAG folks who made those statements along with the dates and the exact quotes (including links to websites or you tube videos where they made them). Also any ABAG documents that proves their disgust of places like danville are critical as well.

I really want to get back at those guys. Once you produce their names and we know exactly what they said we can plan our revenge. My thought was to go to their houses (which I am sure are tiny or town homes) and build 40 story section 8 housing right next door.

This should be easy for you since you have done the research

Posted by Dave, a resident of Danville
on Jun 3, 2013 at 1:38 pm

Yes, I should have added "paranoid" to my description of them as "hysterical."