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Residents protest potential columbarium at Danville church

Wall to store ashes would have space for 264 urns

Nearly 60 residents convened at Peace Lutheran Church Monday evening to voice concerns about a potential columbarium at the church's memorial garden. Set north of PLC's labyrinth across from its preschool, the columbarium will be a space for the public storage of cinerary urns.

"The design is simply a wall, which will have either plaques with the names of loved ones who have passed," said Pastor Steve Harms. " It's a place for families and loved ones to gather to reflect to appreciate the memories, and it's a place of healing. The honoring of the dead and the loved ones who are mourning is a sacred responsibility for all faith communities and religious traditions."

The 6-foot wall will have six square openings with 66 niches and each niche can hold two urns. At capacity, the columbarium could hold 264 remains and memorial plaques. Set below a natural burm, Peace Lutheran officials assured concerned residents that the wall would not be visible from the north side of Old Blackhawk Road. The church is located at 3201 Camino Tassajara.

Still, in an informal poll, nearly everyone in attendance was not in favor of the neighborhood columbarium. Many cited aesthetic, financial and safety concerns as reasons why the wall -- which was often referred to as a cemetery or "death wall" during the meeting -- is a bad fit for the neighborhood.

"I plead to your heart and sensibility, it's not the right thing," said one resident. "This is a great place in every aspect, and I questioned the church, but I thought it was a good thing. Now you're going beyond the bounds."

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Several attendees, including 17-year Danville resident Larry Geiger, said they were frustrated that Peace Lutheran had overstepped the bounds of its original single-use facility. Many said the addition of a columbarium would decrease the value of their homes.

"Such a facility will deleteriously impact the 'peaceful enjoyment of my property' not to mention the potential for dramatic lose (sic) in property values of the entire Terraces community," Geiger wrote in a letter to the town of Danville.

A Real Estate agent confirmed Geiger's fears during the open forum meeting, with one stating that the value of a home near a cemetery can decrease $100,000. A second Realtor added that many people moving to the area have differing cultural beliefs that prevent them from living near cemeteries or like institutions.

Another Terraces resident said part of his family would be unable to visit him at is home because of his proximity to the columbarium.

"This will damage a lot of people here in a way that isn't visible to you," a resident told Rich Collins, a church and memorial garden committee member who ran the presentation.

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Potentially unsightly damages such as vandalism, as well as youth loitering, were also mentioned as concerns. A large wall offset from the street would be an attractive place for kids to drink or smoke, said a resident and former police officer.

Meant to be a low-cost alternative to a traditional burial, the columbarium would be open to PLC members as well as those from other faith communities and is part of the church's caring ministry "from womb to tomb," Harms said. The wall would cost approximately $100,000 to build with interments averaging $2,200.

Collins noted that the church is not trying to profit from the columbarium and would charge just above cost to allow for wall maintenance. He added that St. Timothy's Episcopal Church on Diablo Road also has a columbarium since 1995, though theirs is only open to congregation members.

Neil Matsunaga, a St. Timothy's parishioner and member of the committee that operates its columbarium, said the church's structure was built in conjunction with a new administration building. He was not aware of any neighbors who expressed concerns about the columbarium, which has space for 700 urns and approximately 1/8 of those spaces are occupied.

Peace Lutheran officials have presented the columbarium plan to Danville planners who encouraged PLC to bring the topic to their neighbors; most congregation members do not live in the immediate vicinity of the church. According to Principal Planner David Crompton, the columbarium falls under the definition of a cemetery, which is potentially allowed in most zoning districts, subject to a land use permit.

"We need to look at them on a case by case basis to see if the proposed location is a proper use," he said, adding that the structure would require approval by the Planning Commission, which would conduct a public hearing.

The columbarium is not on the Commission's schedule, though the town first received the columbarium plans three to four weeks ago.

Collins said he was unsure how the church would proceed, given the resounding disapproval from neighboring residents. Many in attendance said they would be fine with a memorial garden of flowers and plaques.

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Residents protest potential columbarium at Danville church

Wall to store ashes would have space for 264 urns

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Uploaded: Tue, Jul 24, 2012, 1:52 pm

Nearly 60 residents convened at Peace Lutheran Church Monday evening to voice concerns about a potential columbarium at the church's memorial garden. Set north of PLC's labyrinth across from its preschool, the columbarium will be a space for the public storage of cinerary urns.

"The design is simply a wall, which will have either plaques with the names of loved ones who have passed," said Pastor Steve Harms. " It's a place for families and loved ones to gather to reflect to appreciate the memories, and it's a place of healing. The honoring of the dead and the loved ones who are mourning is a sacred responsibility for all faith communities and religious traditions."

The 6-foot wall will have six square openings with 66 niches and each niche can hold two urns. At capacity, the columbarium could hold 264 remains and memorial plaques. Set below a natural burm, Peace Lutheran officials assured concerned residents that the wall would not be visible from the north side of Old Blackhawk Road. The church is located at 3201 Camino Tassajara.

Still, in an informal poll, nearly everyone in attendance was not in favor of the neighborhood columbarium. Many cited aesthetic, financial and safety concerns as reasons why the wall -- which was often referred to as a cemetery or "death wall" during the meeting -- is a bad fit for the neighborhood.

"I plead to your heart and sensibility, it's not the right thing," said one resident. "This is a great place in every aspect, and I questioned the church, but I thought it was a good thing. Now you're going beyond the bounds."

Several attendees, including 17-year Danville resident Larry Geiger, said they were frustrated that Peace Lutheran had overstepped the bounds of its original single-use facility. Many said the addition of a columbarium would decrease the value of their homes.

"Such a facility will deleteriously impact the 'peaceful enjoyment of my property' not to mention the potential for dramatic lose (sic) in property values of the entire Terraces community," Geiger wrote in a letter to the town of Danville.

A Real Estate agent confirmed Geiger's fears during the open forum meeting, with one stating that the value of a home near a cemetery can decrease $100,000. A second Realtor added that many people moving to the area have differing cultural beliefs that prevent them from living near cemeteries or like institutions.

Another Terraces resident said part of his family would be unable to visit him at is home because of his proximity to the columbarium.

"This will damage a lot of people here in a way that isn't visible to you," a resident told Rich Collins, a church and memorial garden committee member who ran the presentation.

Potentially unsightly damages such as vandalism, as well as youth loitering, were also mentioned as concerns. A large wall offset from the street would be an attractive place for kids to drink or smoke, said a resident and former police officer.

Meant to be a low-cost alternative to a traditional burial, the columbarium would be open to PLC members as well as those from other faith communities and is part of the church's caring ministry "from womb to tomb," Harms said. The wall would cost approximately $100,000 to build with interments averaging $2,200.

Collins noted that the church is not trying to profit from the columbarium and would charge just above cost to allow for wall maintenance. He added that St. Timothy's Episcopal Church on Diablo Road also has a columbarium since 1995, though theirs is only open to congregation members.

Neil Matsunaga, a St. Timothy's parishioner and member of the committee that operates its columbarium, said the church's structure was built in conjunction with a new administration building. He was not aware of any neighbors who expressed concerns about the columbarium, which has space for 700 urns and approximately 1/8 of those spaces are occupied.

Peace Lutheran officials have presented the columbarium plan to Danville planners who encouraged PLC to bring the topic to their neighbors; most congregation members do not live in the immediate vicinity of the church. According to Principal Planner David Crompton, the columbarium falls under the definition of a cemetery, which is potentially allowed in most zoning districts, subject to a land use permit.

"We need to look at them on a case by case basis to see if the proposed location is a proper use," he said, adding that the structure would require approval by the Planning Commission, which would conduct a public hearing.

The columbarium is not on the Commission's schedule, though the town first received the columbarium plans three to four weeks ago.

Collins said he was unsure how the church would proceed, given the resounding disapproval from neighboring residents. Many in attendance said they would be fine with a memorial garden of flowers and plaques.

Comments

William
Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 6:41 am
William, Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 6:41 am

This is the height of NIMBY. Comment like, "Another Terraces resident said part of his family would be unable to visit him at is home because of his proximity to the columbarium." If this is true, too bad, maybe live in a community that doesn't hold archaic, fear driven myths due to religious ideology. I certainly haven't heard of a drop off in property values near St. Tim's or the part of Diablo adjacent to it. Sounds like much ado about nothing born out of irrational fears and ignorance.


cardinal
Diablo
on Jul 25, 2012 at 7:09 am
cardinal, Diablo
on Jul 25, 2012 at 7:09 am

Property values would suffer? Are they kidding?! St Tim's has such a wall and people are dying to move-in there!


Louise
Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 8:17 am
Louise, Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 8:17 am

All fine and good, but if you lived in proximity, whether you approve or not, the fact remains, property values will be negatively impacted and traffic would increase. Comparing to St. Timothy's off Diablo Road is a weak argument. You can't see the columbarium from the street, it is well hidden and it is a much bigger site. Don't tell me that people visiting this proposed smaller site wouldn't drive there. Of course they would. And, at capacity, it would be a busy place on most weekends. It is a total disregard for residents in the area by the church and its leaders. They might feel differently if it were being built in their own neighborhood.


Citizen Paine
Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 8:43 am
Citizen Paine, Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 8:43 am

1. Work hard.

2. Save your money.

3. Move to Danville.

4. Spend the rest of your life living in irrational fear that everybody wants to take your money.

Pathetic existence.


MA
Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 8:48 am
MA, Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 8:48 am

What a beautiful, peaceful tribute to members of our community. I think it is a great idea and one that is sorely needed in this Valley. We hide death as if it doesn't exist. It is part of the circle of life and we should not ignore it but embrace it and treasure our loved ones who have died with a beautiful memorial.


SM
Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 9:29 am
SM, Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 9:29 am

Talk about weak arguments... Traffic? Seriously? Not a lot of coming & going. $100K property loss near a cemetery? Yeah, maybe - only this is nothing like a cemetery. Relatives can't visit? Makes me wonder what the exclusion zone for their belief system is: 100 yards, 500? A mile? That must make travel planning a real challenge. Do their GPS systems have an 'avoid death spots' feature?


Linda
Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 9:38 am
Linda, Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 9:38 am

This is a Church thing - and a God thing. If you don't like it - don't go. It's on Church property, and there's nothing bad about it - we all die. It's great that the Church wants to have a place where their Church-family can remain, and loved ones can visit.
Traffic? Give me a break!
Property Values? "
Let God reside in all of us - peace.
Liinda


Bad idea!
Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 9:48 am
Bad idea!, Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 9:48 am

As a 35-year resident of Danville who lives near this church (and has lived in other parts of town as well), I don't believe there would be such strong objections to such a structure if it was proposed to be built by an established, well-attended church that is able to attract the actual residents of the surrounding neighborhoods to worship there. That is not the case with this church. St. Tim's did this, CPC or St. Isidore's probably could; I would have no objection to an established mosque or synagogue in Danville creating some type of memorial structure either. But this church for the most part doesn't have the support of the surrounding community and the neighborhood residents don't feel a positive connection with it. The church is constantly hanging vinyl signs that we are all bombarded with when we turn into our street, it is hard to get a feel for what they're even doing- one week they'll advertise "Animal Blessings" and another it will be a Korean church thing or something else that doesn't exhibit any kind of consistent message about what they stand for. A couple years ago they stuck a neon sign on the front saying "No Vacancy" which made the church look like a hotel. Now they have a school in there too. Fine, but without the support of the surrounding community, they should not be permitted to commercialize the place even more. Plus, there is already a problem with teens drinking and loitering in the exact area where this is proposed to be built. It would be vandalized, for sure. And I can't imagine anyone would want that!


William
Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 9:54 am
William, Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 9:54 am

Louise,

I live by St Tim's and there is no additional traffic on weekends other than Sunday service due to this tasteful columbium. The real estate values have not gone down. St. Tim's does not disregard our neighborhood nor does Peace Lutheran Church. To oppose this is just irrational fears and for some borders on mental illness. Referring to the comment that one commenter could not have his relatives visit due to fear of ashes?


MA
Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 10:30 am
MA, Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 10:30 am

The negative reaction is a perfect example of the common American belief that death is optional.


jrm
Vista Grande Elementary School
on Jul 25, 2012 at 11:25 am
jrm, Vista Grande Elementary School
on Jul 25, 2012 at 11:25 am

I can tell you from personal experience the columbarium at St. Tim's is an exceptionally quiet place that has not generated the slightest bit of extra traffic. As a parishioner I supported it's construction and we all felt is was a welcome and comforting addition to our church.
I would like to know which realtor opined the adjacent home values would drop $100,000...I want to make sure I do not use his or her services as I seriously doubt that comment has any merit in this case. As to the fear that relatives would no longer visit their family members in the area I am reminded of the actor Lou Gossett's line to Levar Burton in the TV movie "ROOTS"...."Kunta, you in America now....you in America now Kunta"....
I hope the city of Danville realizes those strident opponents are not expressing the feeling of most of us.


cardinal
Diablo
on Jul 25, 2012 at 11:38 am
cardinal, Diablo
on Jul 25, 2012 at 11:38 am

Madame Editor: will you kindly keep this on-line community informed about this "issue" as it moves along? If there's a hearing, I think there will be quite a few of us who want to attend -- just so we can see what idiocy looks like, in the flesh.

Thanks!


Tim
Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Tim, Danville
on Jul 25, 2012 at 5:28 pm

I suspect the majority of these comments are made by people who are not neighboring residents of this particular church so don't see the advertising and activities done by it on a day-to-day basis. "Bad idea" above is right. The church has various different groups coming in, renting its facilities or whatever arrangement they have, plus sending out different messages with their continuous changing signage, and I think many people just don't trust the place.

Surely many of us who live nearby would love to attend a neighborhood church- so then why is Peace's congregation all coming from elsewhere and they can't manage to get neighboring residents interested?

I think people are complaining about property values and traffic as more acceptable PC arguments, but I think at the core, there is a general distrust in the surrounding community of any plans this church may make to build or expand ANY of its activities.


Resident.
Blackhawk
on Jul 26, 2012 at 11:03 am
Resident., Blackhawk
on Jul 26, 2012 at 11:03 am

"I see dead people."


Gio Pardee
Danville
on Jul 26, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Gio Pardee, Danville
on Jul 26, 2012 at 3:48 pm

Tim'll take Passive Aggression for $200, Alex.


jrm
Vista Grande Elementary School
on Jul 26, 2012 at 9:11 pm
jrm, Vista Grande Elementary School
on Jul 26, 2012 at 9:11 pm

I guess I am now glad I do not live in The Terraces or other developments you folks that "live close by but do not support this church" are living in. We have members at St. Tim's from all over the East Bay and that is not viewed as a weakness in our parish. I am not catholic but I grew up across the street from one of the largest catholic parishes in my hometown and I could care less about the rectory being across the street from my house. Your opposition puzzles me...


tango
Danville
on Jul 27, 2012 at 9:05 am
tango, Danville
on Jul 27, 2012 at 9:05 am

We are debating a tasteful columbium ? Seriously ? Property values diminished ? Increased traffic ? This can only happen in the Danville " bubble " Time to move to the real world !


maggie
Danville
on Jul 28, 2012 at 12:22 pm
maggie, Danville
on Jul 28, 2012 at 12:22 pm

I live in the neighborhood down Old Blackhawk Road. I am not a member of the Church. I am saddened to see comments that are of a 'personal' nature against Peace Lutheran Church. Just because the beliefs and/or mission of this Church and it's members may not coincide with one's own beliefs, it is unnecessary to attack the Church. When I last checked, we have freedom of religion here in the United States! I think the Church is just acting like a Church should.....opening their meeting rooms to local groups....let the Korean church worship there, since they have no physical church....open a pre-school that is enjoyed by parents in the immediate area....allow the church to be used as a voting place. In my opinion, these are community assets not liabilities and activities that are expected when you live near a Church. I think a columbarium may bring peace of mind to families who desire to have their deceased loved ones close by. How nice to be able to have that option available. Look-- this is Danville and here "money talks". Folks will say whatever they can and bring up all kinds of sketchy excuses in order muddy the issue, eg-death wall; vandalism; traffic; ghosts; vagrants; relatives can't visit etc...but bottom line is people are worried about property values. You had a Realtor at the meeting say that values would drop $100,000 in the area...hahahaha- people from St. Tim's neighborhood have debunked that quite soundly in previous comments, so in my mind it behooves the Church and it's supporters to work toward an honest dialog in this area in order to gain local support. Oh, and by the way, I wonder how many homes down Old Blackhawk have a family member's ashes in the house and neighbor's just don't know and relatives come and visit and kids still play nearby etc, without any of the consequences that have been mentioned by non-supporters.


Treetopper
Danville
on Jul 28, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Treetopper, Danville
on Jul 28, 2012 at 12:47 pm

Sounds like the villagers are out to burn the monster. Why don't the "neighbors" attend a service or two and find out what Peace Lutheran is about?


Arlene
Diablo
on Jul 29, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Arlene, Diablo
on Jul 29, 2012 at 4:13 pm

Thanks, Maggie, for so beautifully describing what it means to be Church. We have lived in the Danville area for 38 years. Peace Lutheran really strives to not just preach about the Gospel but to actually practice the Gospel. It is welcoming and accepting of ALL. It provides its space to outside groups. It has outreach to the entire community. It supports individuals and organizations in need. We had hoped that the Columbarium would offer another needed ministry to Peace members as well as to others in the community. It would be very comforting to my family to have a memorial space in Danville where we could visit and quietly remember the blessings of that person. A Memorial Wall with the Columbarium would provide such a sacred space. We have a memorial rose bush for our two and a half year old grandson who passed in 2002. We would include him on the Memorial Wall but we would also like to be part of this sacred space in the future as part of the Columbarium. Our family could then be together in this Sacred Resting Place.


tango
Danville
on Jul 30, 2012 at 11:34 am
tango, Danville
on Jul 30, 2012 at 11:34 am

Nice to see subsequent comments that are realistic ! I cannot believe a realtor actually said values of homes would drop $100K. Simply ridiculous and without any any substance at all. Bottom line, the church needs to seriously reach out and gain support by stating the facts and also be sensitive to the residents that are so ill informed.A columbarium, if done the right way, can be a sanctuary and not a place of ghosts and the basis of reduced property values and traffic. The folks in the Terraces and surrounding areas ( where I reside )need to gather the facts.


A Real Resident
Danville
on Jul 30, 2012 at 12:32 pm
A Real Resident, Danville
on Jul 30, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Amazing how many non-residents want to tell the residents to "get the facts" when none of them were actually present to hear the concerns of these residents last Monday night. The group was actually well represented (with far more than the 60 people that was reported). While this posting is hardly the place to revisit the many, many concerns brought forth by the residents, or to debate the poorly informed, I will say that it amazes me that folks who have spouted here about the open and accepting nature of this church and its congregation are the same ones criticizing other's religious beliefs about living near the dead, and completing minimizing the rights of 90%+ of this neighborhood who are saying NO. You aren't doing the debate justice by passing judgment and being so insulting to those who actually live here. Despite your comments, however, I DO believe that this is a peaceful congregation and that in the end, they will vote to live peacefully in this community by dropping these plans for the columbarium.

Our situation varies greatly from that of St. Tim's and the issues range broadly from spiritual to financial. A compromise was suggested to the church officials but I suspect there simply isn't enough financial incentive for them to accept a memorial wall without the ashes, unfortunately. Churches don't deal in profits but they do raise funds to grow their programs. Clearly, this is a way to do just that for PLC.

Regardless...of this there should be no doubt...the neighborhood will fight against this to the end and we are well armed with facts, passion, and if need be, legal means.


tango
San Ramon
on Jul 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm
tango, San Ramon
on Jul 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm

To: A Real Resident. Your kidding, right ? I was at the meeting and contrary to your comments, the concerns expressed were not of a well thought out nature. It gets down to a few yahoos who have nothing better to do but pick a fight. In typical Danville fashion you turn to the " legals means " posture. This is a columbarium, not a darn cemetary. Get real accept it and work with the church to find an acceptable compromise. It is your only hope !In a straight line my home is 75 feet away !


A Real Resident
Danville
on Jul 31, 2012 at 12:39 pm
A Real Resident, Danville
on Jul 31, 2012 at 12:39 pm

Tango, your distaste of Danville and its residents is obvious in your posts. Those of us who DO love it here have concerns and we did offer a compromise to the church. As I said earlier, I believe they are a peaceful congregation and they will drop their plans or settle on the proposed compromise in time. Legal means is a last resort, of course.

Perhaps another city would suit you better, Tango. Good luck in selling your house at full value if the columbarium goes in before then though!


WARBUX
Blackhawk
on Jul 31, 2012 at 4:22 pm
WARBUX, Blackhawk
on Jul 31, 2012 at 4:22 pm

Real: you lost all credibility at the "90%" claim in your earlier post. You can't get 90% of people to agree that the earth is not flat -- especially if your group contains a significant element of those whose religious beliefs forbid "living among the dead."

I think you are a bully, and I believe you are bluffing. So I am announcing the formation of a legal defense fund: AttorneyS Helping Eliminate aggreSsion -- or, ASHES. As you may know, there are quite a few Lutheran lawyers who will jump at the chance to do good in the world -- at a substantial discount. Those opportunities don't come along very often. Stay tuned!

So bring it on -- the best way to deal with a bully is to back him down.


Tango
Danville
on Jul 31, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Tango, Danville
on Jul 31, 2012 at 4:47 pm

To; A Real Resident ! You have to be kidding ? A reply is not even worth it but as I close this out, please know I have lived in Danville since 1982 and I can assure you that the $1.4 mill equity in my house will not be diminshed one penny when the columbarium is constructed. Who knows, maybe the surrounding gardens will shield your pathetic little home, that your proabaly sideways on ,from the noise coming eminating from Tassajara !Never wanted to stoop to your level but your position is short of insane !


tango
San Ramon
on Jul 31, 2012 at 4:55 pm
tango, San Ramon
on Jul 31, 2012 at 4:55 pm

To real, aka a fake ! By the way I love Danville. Raised several children here and have the last one at SRV who is a great student and athlete all because of this great community. The spector of your comment that "legal means is a last resort" is exactly why people like you should not live here. People like me and family represent the goodness of Danville and not the mean spirited tone of your objections to a simple columbarium ! Over and out good buddy !!


Bob
Blackhawk
on Jul 31, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Bob, Blackhawk
on Jul 31, 2012 at 5:07 pm

I am with Tango ! The clown who goes by the moniker REAL is proably a lawyer looking for a case !


Arlene
Diablo
on Jul 31, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Arlene, Diablo
on Jul 31, 2012 at 5:31 pm

It is very disturbing that “Real” assumes that Peace has proposed the Columbarium for financial reasons. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Peace Columbarium is not a money-making business. Instead it offers an opportunity for families to visit the memorial space in the Danville area. For Christians the Church has been our center from birth to death. Hence, our desire to have a final resting place at the Church. Plus, it would really be nice to have such a place close by rather than requiring long travel distances. Check it out – There just aren’t such resting places in the area.


Tango
Danville
on Jul 31, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Tango, Danville
on Jul 31, 2012 at 5:33 pm

Way to go Arlene ! Your spot on ! Thank you


bob
Blackhawk
on Aug 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm
bob, Blackhawk
on Aug 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Very interesting that REAL has put his tail between his legs after taken a hit by Arlene, Tango and others !!


Danny Danville
Danville
on Aug 14, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Danny Danville, Danville
on Aug 14, 2012 at 10:33 pm

Hi Everyone,

With all kindness and respect, if you are not a member of the neighborhood please end all posts with your favorite color, food and place to vacation. It is about as relevant as your opinion on this matter.

Bottom line is the neighborhood is a community and the community has a right to oppose changes which they feel could negatively impact their life/investments.

Also, if you live where there is some open space near your home, please let us know and we can propose moving the columbarium/human remains close to your home. I am always looking for an alternate approach.

And finally, if you are against "Danville" and the people living in "Danville" I truly feel for you. I have lived in a lot of places and I can say with all honestly the hearts and intentions of the people in Danville are some of the kindest I have ever seen.

Cheers......


Larry
Danville
on Aug 14, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Larry, Danville
on Aug 14, 2012 at 10:40 pm

I happen to be a member of PLC and I live in one of the adjacent townhome neighborhoods. Originally I thought this was a good idea. Our church is not a mainstream church and we saw this as a way to serve our membership and raise almost $600,000 in revenue, less the $100,000 cost to build. I was amazed at the outcry from the various neighborhoods impacted by this columbarium. I hope that we, PLC, take to heart the concerns of our neighbors. We should be able to find a way to memorialize our loved ones in a way that is agreeable to all people. Perhaps a living memorial (trees, roses/flowers) would be a better solution. Peace.


johny
Blackhawk
on Aug 15, 2012 at 11:06 am
johny, Blackhawk
on Aug 15, 2012 at 11:06 am

it is the worse idea


SANDY
Danville
on Aug 15, 2012 at 11:07 am
SANDY, Danville
on Aug 15, 2012 at 11:07 am
LENNY
Diablo
on Aug 15, 2012 at 11:22 am
LENNY, Diablo
on Aug 15, 2012 at 11:22 am

They just doing it for the money


Jack
Alamo
on Aug 15, 2012 at 11:23 am
Jack, Alamo
on Aug 15, 2012 at 11:23 am

Danville town should not allow it


Internet historian
Danville
on Aug 15, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Internet historian, Danville
on Aug 15, 2012 at 4:49 pm

For anyone who was wondering what the internet term "sock puppet" means, it's when someone poses and several different people and posts comments "agreeing" with himself, trying to make people think other agree with him - like the person who posed as "Larry," "Johny," "Sandy," "Lenny" and "Jack" above. (This, incidentally, was a really clumsy example of sock puppetry.)

I guess we now know where the "200" signatures on the petition the ghost-mongerers have been bragging about came from. :-D


Arlene
Diablo
on Aug 16, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Arlene, Diablo
on Aug 16, 2012 at 12:51 pm

Larry made a RIDICULOUS statement and a VERY DISHONEST ONE!! If you want to post something, at least be honest and honorable. You are definitely not a member of Peace. We at Peace hoped to build the columbarium to serve our members and the community, as there are not after life resting places in the area. Your statement about the revenue raising is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS!! We would be subsidizing the columbarium because we feel it is so important that the church serves as a wellness and healing source from birth to death. Lenny and anyone else who thinks Peace is doing it for the money - you are COMPLETELY wrong. My family would have felt blessed to be able to go to a peaceful and beautiful place to remember my husband and myself at the church that was part of our lives. Our grandson's memorial rose bush was to be moved to the columbarium with his name. This would have been a blessing to all of us. It really disappoints and angers me when people make such dishonest statements.


IntHist
Danville
on Aug 16, 2012 at 7:40 pm
IntHist, Danville
on Aug 16, 2012 at 7:40 pm

Arlene, "Lenny" and "Larry" and "Jack" and "Johny" and "Sandy" aren't real people. They're just one sad phony posing as real people (Real Resident, perhaps?) The self-righteous attitude and mob mentality of the people who oppose this service to the community have emboldened them to say a lot of ugly, foolish and hateful things.

Passing yourself off a as fake person is hardly at the top of the list...


Larry
Danville
on Aug 29, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Larry, Danville
on Aug 29, 2012 at 10:29 pm

With all due respect, I don't think it's a dishonest statement to say that we are doing this for the revenue. If we truly wanted to serve our membership and our community, then why charge for a space? I value my friends in PLC, but I also value my neighbors in the Tivoli townhomes that make sure to check in on me from time to time, to take in my trash cans and bring me holiday treats. Many of my neighbors are young couples that don't have the equity that many of the other advocates of this project have. I've prayed on this issue and have received guidence from the Lord. I hope the entire congregation prays on this issue as well and follows His guidance.
Peace.


Arlene
Diablo
on May 25, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Arlene, Diablo
on May 25, 2013 at 4:28 pm

I just checked this site after months off of it. Wow! Larry - YOU KEEP ON LYING! You are not a member of Peace!! It is so phony of you to say you are.


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