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Breaking News: McNerney Votes for Obama-Care!

Original post made by Rick Pshaw, Danville, on Oct 5, 2010

Actually this really isn't breaking news, it can be more accurately described as broken news. Broken news is news that McNerney wishes would just get broke and disappear. It's too bad that McNerney isn't proud of his vote on this issue. Why, it should be the key element of his campaign, but you never hear a thing about it.

McNereny is a self- described moderate. I guess they whipped out a new definition of "moderate" when we weren't paying attention. It seems that in these days anyone who votes with Nancy Pelosi 97.2% of the time can call themselves a moderate.

He's not a moderate, folks. And if he's re-elected he'll prove it to you.


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Posted by Ralph N. Shirlet
a resident of another community
on Oct 6, 2010 at 7:20 am

Dear Dolores,

After exhaustive research, we discovered that Scott Nevil McNerney, so often referred to in repeating FORUM exchanges, is actually a cow-dancing instructor and part-time politician. He did vote for government mandated health care and other socially responsible programs.

The issue seems to be confusion of names and locations. Nevil, as his friends call him, is a resident and citizen of Latvia.

I hope that clears up this matter.

The ROFL in Ralph N. Shirlet

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Posted by jrm
a resident of Vista Grande Elementary School
on Oct 6, 2010 at 9:17 pm

and guess more bake sales and hopeful fundraisers for our fellow citizens in a new world of health care coverage when their child has a random might even happen to rikshaw god forbid...once again, the US and South Africa are the only industrialized nations without cradle to grave health care provided by a collective effort....someone needs to speak up against his callouse desire to bankrupt those that are randomly ill...

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Posted by Diane
a resident of Danville
on Oct 7, 2010 at 8:12 am

Thanks jrm. It never ceases to amaze me how "me focused" people can get when it is not their lives that are cut short because of our archaic health care system. My guess is that Rick P. and others like him haven't had a child with Down's Syndrome or any other "preexisting condition" known to bankrupt entire families over the course of a (sometimes all too short) lifetime. To watch your child struggle to survive while fighting for very limited health benefits while others have more coverage than they can ever use simply due to the luck of the (birth defect) draw is an abomination. That health insurance industry execs get fat off the backs of families who struggle so valiantly just to keep their kids alive (and that people like Rick P. believe their rhetoric about how the status quo is better for them) is criminal.

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Posted by American
a resident of Danville
on Oct 7, 2010 at 8:53 am

Diane: One of the many problems with Obama's health insurance plan is that many small employers who now offer Kaiser to their employees and family members will consider dropping Kaiser and offering one of the future government run plans. My family and I have had Kaiser for 20 years, and it works really well in providing affordable and satisfactory health care, regardless of pre-existing conditions or special needs of the patients. One of the reasons Kaiser works and is affordable is because of the mandatory arbitration system for alleged medical malpractice claims, that resolves claims quickly and economically, and does not allow for ambulance chasing lawyers to hijack the court system with run away jury verdicts. One of the reasons health insurance is so expensive is because healthcare professionals outside of Kaiser have to practice defensive medicine and order every possible diagnostic test and exam to protect themselves from ambulance chasing malpractice attorneys and run away jury verdicts. Kaiser arbitration solves that problem, and allows healthcare providers to only order those tests and exams that are medically necessary. Of course, the ambulance chasing trial lawyers association is one of Obama's biggest campaign contributors,so they love his plan to wipe out arbitration type plans like Kaiser, and open the court house doors to the John Edwards of the world who made millions with run away malpractice verdicts. Thus, while I agree our healthcare system has many problems and children with pre-existing conditions absolutely need quality affordable healthcare, Obama's plan will ultimately hurt us more than help us.

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Posted by Diane
a resident of Danville
on Oct 7, 2010 at 11:50 am

American, I understand your position. I think the new health care system was created too quickly and contains some flaws, but is an improvement over what we currently have. Some will pay more and receive less, and some will have something where nothing (other than very expensive crisis based ER care) existed previously - therefore creating a system where taxpayers covered what the impoverished families could not. Hopefully the new system will be tweaked over time in a way that benefits people equally.

I love the Kaiser system - you would get no argument from me if we went with Kaiser for everyone.

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Posted by aksidoo
a resident of Alamo
on Oct 29, 2010 at 8:59 pm

Diane: The Kaiser system is viewed as a deluxe system under Obamacare except if you are a union member where it will be allowed. Otherwise, it will be eaten away under Obamacare as a 'cadillac system'.

As to families with Downs Syndrome children - go visit other countries and see what is offered. Pretty much zilch in Europe, Far East or Mid Eastern. They don't even have sidewalks that are handicap friendly for heaven's sake. They have family in many cases providing meals and laundry service in hospitals. They warehouse the mentally ill. And all of this in the timeframe of megabucks from taxes to their healthcare systems. It is never enough money. They quota age and affirmities.

There are reasons immigrants want to come her. It is not because their health care, education, or economic system is working. Wake up. See what you will lose. Look at Europe reversing its socialistic system of the last 40 years in recent elections because it is unsustainable. They are beginning to understand what they have lost. (ps if you only watch the major channels, MSNCB and CNN you will not know what is referred to - you need to look at election results and see not just what is reported by the popular networks).

Look at the HG TV International House Hunting show and see what $300,000 gets you in major markets versus US average house of $170,000. Even in comparing major capitals to New York City the US offers more for the dollar than do Paris, Tokyo, Rome, Moscow, etc.

Look at the lack of education in these places. Want to talk about Europe - Let's mention Great Britain where the top 1% of students has a paid fabulous college education and the rest fall out along the way beginning at age 14. Look at the mideast where women don't count and don't get educated and look at the world through a burkha. Review South America and Asia where most don't get beyond an eigth grade education - let alone girls.

Look at unemployment before the recent recession that for 40 years in Europe had been at 15% or more. Today look and see the US at 12% and Europe over 20%; some of that number by the way depends on how the counries count - they include parttime of 20 hours or half year as full time jobs in Italy for example.

Look - please look - and then look again without blinders and bias of what the media does not tell you about 'on the ground reality.'

Look at their legal system. Most do not have habeas corpus or other legal protections.

Oh and by the way the health care execs getting fat? There are many more government fat cats taking everyone's wealth, raising their own salaries and union benefits, passing laws dinging economic growth and success. And don't bring out the red herring of caring or not caring for animals, water, air, land etc. This is far more damaging to everyone's livelihood, is insidious and hidden.